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Unread 13-10-2021, 07:47 PM
red in cumbria
 
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Listen, you can't just throw your toys under the pram because people point to other clubs successes in a short space of time
Clubs in an almost incomparably different situation to us, but whatever.
 
Unread 13-10-2021, 08:23 PM
silv
 
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Clubs in an almost incomparably different situation to us, but whatever.
Explain the differences please
 
Unread 13-10-2021, 10:19 PM
Stickman
 
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Explain the differences please
Their owner wants to be number 1 whereas ours only want top 4. Of course, with the money we have invested, we should still be mounting serious challenges for the big two pots regardless. You canít say that though or youíre verging on being a Glazer apologist.
 
Unread 13-10-2021, 11:06 PM
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Clubs in an almost incomparably different situation to us, but whatever.
They were underperforming last season under an inadequate and under qualified manager. An inadequate under qualified manager who was a former player, appointed to the job on sentiment.

The parallels couldn't be any more obvious.
 
Unread 13-10-2021, 11:11 PM
red in cumbria
 
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Their owner wants to be number 1 whereas ours only want top 4. Of course, with the money we have invested, we should still be mounting serious challenges for the big two pots regardless. You canít say that though or youíre verging on being a Glazer apologist.
Well that's a pretty big difference in itself, but their having close to unlimited funds does rather help that aspiration.
 
Unread 14-10-2021, 12:09 AM
Stickman
 
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Well that's a pretty big difference in itself, but their having close to unlimited funds does rather help that aspiration.
This is why you spend your money smarter. In my view, we've spent enough over the last few years to be challenging.
 
Unread 14-10-2021, 08:07 AM
Coracao
 
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Well that's a pretty big difference in itself, but their having close to unlimited funds does rather help that aspiration.
Bordering on a pathetic excuse for Utd.

There's barely anything in it between Utd and Chelsea since Fergie retired, and Chelsea's net spend is a hell of a lot lower.
 
Unread 14-10-2021, 09:19 AM
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This is why you spend your money smarter. In my view, we've spent enough over the last few years to be challenging.
So had Van Gaal and Mourinho but failed in title challenges. They were some way off challenging too and Ole has finished closer than either of them. Both kept Fellaini and other shitstains in the squad. Ole's draining the swamp at a rate that the contracts allow.

The trophies papered over the cracks of the true measure of the squad, a meaningful league campaign. I, like many Reds born in the 70s, grew up on us being a cup side, offering the odd hope of a title challenge here and there,

The big difference will be to see what happens when Woodward isn't involved.
 
Unread 14-10-2021, 09:44 AM
Stickman
 
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So had Van Gaal and Mourinho but failed in title challenges. They were some way off challenging too and Ole has finished closer than either of them. Both kept Fellaini and other shitstains in the squad. Ole's draining the swamp at a rate that the contracts allow.

The trophies papered over the cracks of the true measure of the squad, a meaningful league campaign. I, like many Reds born in the 70s, grew up on us being a cup side, offering the odd hope of a title challenge here and there,

The big difference will be to see what happens when Woodward isn't involved.
For the avoidance of doubt, Iím not a Van Gaal or Mourinho advocate.
 
Unread 14-10-2021, 09:49 AM
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I know its just a suggestion by Paul Parker in an interview, but I don't think it is that wide of the mark in correcting our issues. Rene Meulensteen is a top, top coach. He is not a manager, his record at trying that proves it.

When he came into United he not only worked with Ferguson and helped the first team to several pots, he was used by Les Kershaw and revolutionised the way the academy taught the kids how to play. He introduced skills coaching and ball manipulation, and put the word development into the vocabulary at the club. The results of that are what we saw from Welbeck onwards - hes not a great example, but still made us £16m.

United graduates all over the Leagues all over the world have great technique, great feet. Pogba, Rashford, Greenwood even Lingard are testament to that. That is down to Rene. The EPPP programme and subsequent FA youth badges use these techniques, leading to England having more technical footballers.

Personally I'd have him coaching our first team over Kieren McKenna and Michael Carrick any day of the week. If we are keeping OGS, which seems to be the way it is, then doing something like this would certainly improve what we have.

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