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Unread 18-05-2011, 09:47 AM
andyroo
 
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So there it is in black and white. If the media don't raise a shitstorm the FA don't take any action. Proven.
 
Unread 18-05-2011, 09:49 AM
Harri Jaffa
 
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So there it is in black and white. If the media don't raise a shitstorm the FA don't take any action. Proven.
Keep your muth shut or you'll get a 3 game ban
 
Unread 18-05-2011, 10:59 AM
borsuk
 
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What qualifies any of the £#%&!ers, other than the ability to arrange words into an order that reads coherently, if nonsensically?
the majority are a long way off that ability to be honest. overwhelmingly, journalism, especially broadcast journalism (though the lines between print and broadcast are becoming blurred to the point of irrelevance in the modern multimedia world), has long since stopped being about competence or expertise and has become about personality.

the qualification of somebody like patrick barclay, and i've heard him use this many times to give himself authority, is how long he has been doing the job: 'as somebody who's been writing about football for thirty years i can tell you....' the idea of actually knowing the subject is laughed off (not knowing who players are, not knowing where they were before, how they did, what kind of player they are), research consists of a few stats taken from stat-gathering organisations like opta, opinions require nothing more than a stentorian voice and the murmured assent of equally vacuous colleagues and track records of failure and ignorance go down the memory hole with no fears of coming back to haunt them, since all their colleagues are playing the same game.

journalism used to be about reporting things that happened in a way that brought the subject alive for those not able to witness it and which was performed with a sense of the journalist being in a privileged position, able to use time, expertise and access to educate his or her readers. nowadays there are very very few journalists left; they have been replaced by pundits, facts replaced by opinion, context by banter.

when was the last time one of these talking heads told you something you didn't know that wasn't an opinion? what are we going to get before the cl final? a load of waffle and blather about fergie, guardiola and various players which is nothing more than the kind of opinions you can get on here or down the pub - just a fan giving an opinion, nothing more. a real journalist would be finding things out - trying to watch the training sessions to see how the teams might line up, watching reserve games to see players coming back from injury, speaking to the players anonymously to get information etc. that's one of the things that marks somebody like sid lowe out because he actually does these things and has something to say as a result. but journalists like him - or like robert fisk, to take a new journalist with a similarly old-school approach - are the exception rather than the rule.
 
Unread 18-05-2011, 11:43 AM
Zorg
 
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Two great posts /\

I'd add David Conn to the list of those worth reading.
 
Unread 18-05-2011, 01:07 PM
The Return of JC
 
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the majority are a long way off that ability to be honest. overwhelmingly, journalism, especially broadcast journalism (though the lines between print and broadcast are becoming blurred to the point of irrelevance in the modern multimedia world), has long since stopped being about competence or expertise and has become about personality.

the qualification of somebody like patrick barclay, and i've heard him use this many times to give himself authority, is how long he has been doing the job: 'as somebody who's been writing about football for thirty years i can tell you....' the idea of actually knowing the subject is laughed off (not knowing who players are, not knowing where they were before, how they did, what kind of player they are), research consists of a few stats taken from stat-gathering organisations like opta, opinions require nothing more than a stentorian voice and the murmured assent of equally vacuous colleagues and track records of failure and ignorance go down the memory hole with no fears of coming back to haunt them, since all their colleagues are playing the same game.

journalism used to be about reporting things that happened in a way that brought the subject alive for those not able to witness it and which was performed with a sense of the journalist being in a privileged position, able to use time, expertise and access to educate his or her readers. nowadays there are very very few journalists left; they have been replaced by pundits, facts replaced by opinion, context by banter.

when was the last time one of these talking heads told you something you didn't know that wasn't an opinion? what are we going to get before the cl final? a load of waffle and blather about fergie, guardiola and various players which is nothing more than the kind of opinions you can get on here or down the pub - just a fan giving an opinion, nothing more. a real journalist would be finding things out - trying to watch the training sessions to see how the teams might line up, watching reserve games to see players coming back from injury, speaking to the players anonymously to get information etc. that's one of the things that marks somebody like sid lowe out because he actually does these things and has something to say as a result. but journalists like him - or like robert fisk, to take a new journalist with a similarly old-school approach - are the exception rather than the rule.

Well said, Bors.

Sometimes this rears it's hilarious head and they see their arses. A recent example being the sighting of Douglas Costa at Old Trafford. Someone says they've seen Douglas Costa, a few whispers start and before you know it, there's Twitter 'confirmations' and it's there in black and white on the Guardian website. Not one of these clueless hacks actually took the time to turn around and look at the man and, more importantly, none of them actually knew what he looked like. None of them. I don't know what he looks like, but I'm not an In-The-Know journalist. It's not my job to know. As it turned out, the guy looked nothing like Costa and none of them had any knowledge of world football to actually dig themselves out of the little hole they'd created. So they just write about something else and it falls into the, as you put it, 'memory hole'. I thought it was a really good, succinct example that these guys know absolutely £#%&! all and will pass off anything as a story.
 
Unread 18-05-2011, 03:17 PM
jaffo
 
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Borsuk & SilverSurfer - two excellent posts, thanks for taking the time to write them down.
 
Unread 18-05-2011, 11:06 PM
Fartface
 
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The fact that Fergle was charged and the others weren't is an obvious sign of double standards as the charge itself stays on Sir Alex's record for 5 years. So when he's brought before the FA again for refusing to smile when asked a question it will go against him.

None of the others who have been warned were charged.

Utter @#%&!s.
 
Unread 18-05-2011, 11:13 PM
red in cumbria
 
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Clueless @#%&!s to boot, too
 
Unread 19-05-2011, 06:49 AM
Zorg
 
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I see Pulis has been 'warned' now.

In other words they've realised how stupid the whole thing is. They're utterly £#%&!ing brain dead.
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