Mason Greenwood has charges against him dropped

Originally Posted by 92ToBury

Seems more aligned with Arsenal right now.

In all seriousness, you raised a good point about the recording being proved to be him - obviously that's the courtroom side of it, but if it isn't him, then why wasn't it repudiated at the time?

If he'd denied it was him for a trial they'd have got an expert witness to do the voice recognition. Maybe United will do that? Trial in the dressing room, Judge Hag residing!

He could say it was him but was taken out of context and it was some kinky roleplaying thing. We haven't seen/heard the full thing, and without that, or her evidence, it'd be hard to gainsay.

Originally Posted by BarryX

given that the alleged victim in this matter seems to have totally forgiven him (for whatever it was he actually did), maybe we should give him a chance to rehabilitate and redeem himself, too

you are literally condoning rape for even mentioning this. no nuanced conversation here. soz.

Originally Posted by BarryX

Sure, everyone's got the right to silence, but in cases such as these, using that right shouts out guilt in the eyes of many...

you have the right to remain silent, donkey. what you lack is the capacity.

Originally Posted by avocado

The simple answer to the first question is "yes". Courts/Tribunals do it all the time. Typically in discrimination cases where there is rarely direct evidence of direct discrimination (for obvious reasons). An Employment Tribunal can issue a witness summons but it is generally at the request of one of the parties. As someone else said, it's not the job of the Court/Tribunal to establish the truth - it's to determine the competing arguments of the parties, and the two do not necessarily always coincide.

What about disclosure of the evidence? The CPIA regimen can't apply to non-criminal matters surely?

Originally Posted by Bunker Buster

Oh we're at the faked pictures and audio stage ...

Class ..
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Are we £#%&!, we're at the what-ifs stage.

As in, *if* they were faked, why didn't/couldn't he speak out sooner, etc.

There are no marlo levels of delight in the conversation, simply looking at all the angles about the evidence standing up in court, etc. £#%&! off back to your lynch mob.

If he comes back will that stop you from going the match , if so can i have your cup final ticket

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Originally Posted by jem

you have the right to remain silent, donkey. what you lack is the capacity.

Granted. Silence usually is golden. But if you'd been incorrectly accused of committing some heinous crimes, with photographic and audio evidence shared that seemingly demonstrates your guilt, taking the 5th isn't exactly a good look.

https://instagram.com/stories/marcus...d=MDJmNzVkMjY=

Originally Posted by avocado

If they are relying on reputational grounds it doesn't matter that it wasn't him that posted it. As long as it was his conduct that has caused the damage to reputation then that will be sufficient grounds to dismiss under most employment contracts (although I have obviously not seen his and each case turns on its own facts). I think they would struggle on the breach of bail - it's by far the least of his sins (if he is a sinner) and you go with your best case. But either way delaying has caused an issue for them

But presumably the 'new' evidence is in his favour so maybe casts doubt on the interpretation of the pictures/audio.

The only solid evidence as to his behaviour is failing to abide by his bail conditions but as you say they haven't acted on it and nor can they run being available for work as they didn't require him to be.

It looks as if United have dug themselves a bit of a hole by not terminating at the point they could have done. They've paid out wages for a year and looks like they might have to pay more if they want rid of him unless someone will buy him in the summer. Or they cop huge flak by retaining him What a mess.

Originally Posted by redhegemony

It looks as if United have dug themselves a bit of a hole by not terminating at the point they could have done.

Or given themselves an opportunity. I have only been commenting on the legal (specifically, employment) issues. If they said "we waited for a trial for you to clear your name, that's has not happened for some reason and we don't want to be associated with someone who has that allegation hanging over his head regardless of cost" it may be expensive from the point of view of his contract, but it might be hugely beneficial for the club in terms of its reputation (nearly 70% of people on here think so) and who knows what that is worth? They will be doing a cost/benefit analysis as we speak I suspect, rather than a moral analysis

Originally Posted by BarryX

Granted. Silence usually is golden. But if you'd been incorrectly accused of committing some heinous crimes, with photographic and audio evidence shared that seemingly demonstrates your guilt, taking the 5th isn't exactly a good look.

well... it was a just popular cultural reference, really. I agree with you.

Originally Posted by avocado

Or given themselves an opportunity. I have only been commenting on the legal (specifically, employment) issues. If they said "we waited for a trial for you to clear your name, that's has not happened for some reason and we don't want to be associated with someone who has that allegation hanging over his head regardless of cost" it may be expensive from the point of view of his contract, but it might be hugely beneficial for the club in terms of its reputation (nearly 70% of people on here think so) and who knows what that is worth? They will be doing a cost/benefit analysis as we speak I suspect, rather than a moral analysis

I wonder if he came out as transgender, maybe that would help?

He needs some serious PR campaigning ASAP. Maybe Roc Nation could get involved?

https://twitter.com/henrywinter/status/1621294671585595402?s=20&t=gYB78yAx9sKbGxkBWXXUOYJU0pin3A1bQtp0_ffYsXg

Got some explaining to do apparently.

Originally Posted by atticusgrinch

I wonder if he came out as transgender, maybe that would help?

He needs some serious PR campaigning ASAP. Maybe Roc Nation could get involved?

Probably get a Knighthood.

Originally Posted by Ethers

https://twitter.com/henrywinter/stat...A1bQtp0_ffYsXg

Got some explaining to do apparently.

The gaffer has called him. Said he was glad the charges were dropped. Concerning?…..

“But a source said: “Mason has spent a long time with very little — if any — contact from the club. As and when they were in touch, it was never direct and always through a third party. So for the manager to call him was a big step for him and one he really appreciated.

“The manager enquired how he was feeling physically and mentally and said he was pleased the charges had been dropped.

“He thought it was the right thing to do to get in touch with Mason”

Originally Posted by Ethers

The gaffer has called him. Said he was glad the charges were dropped. Concerning?…..

“But a source said: “Mason has spent a long time with very little — if any — contact from the club. As and when they were in touch, it was never direct and always through a third party. So for the manager to call him was a big step for him and one he really appreciated.

“The manager enquired how he was feeling physically and mentally and said he was pleased the charges had been dropped.

“He thought it was the right thing to do to get in touch with Mason”

Great news, get him back in the squad asap

I don’t believe it, no way

Originally Posted by Danoli

I don’t believe it, no way

It's in the sun pal

Originally Posted by Sandman

Great news, get him back in the squad asap

Unfortunately the court of public opinion (and social media) will see to that. Already lots of off-the-record interviews with female players telling us how uncomfortable they would be if he was reinstated in the squad. New evidence be damned.