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Unread 20-11-2023, 09:52 PM
Mr_Ed
 
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Southgate is shit. Needs sacking.
 
Unread 20-11-2023, 10:02 PM
Sparky***
 
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Southgate is shit. Needs sacking.
He's leaving after this tournament isn't he?

far be it from me to defend the waistcoat - but England have absolutely phoned these two fixtures in. And rightly so, they've already qualified and the players all look £#%&!ing knackered.
 
Unread 20-11-2023, 10:13 PM
suedeshoes
 
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Southgate is shit. Needs sacking.
Unbeaten in the group. 1 defeat in the last 15 matches. Useless.
 
Unread 20-11-2023, 10:14 PM
naes_sean
 
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Unbeaten in the group. 1 defeat in the last 15 matches. Useless.
 
Unread 20-11-2023, 10:25 PM
NedKelly
 
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Didnít watch one minute of this game or the last. Bliss.
 
Unread 20-11-2023, 10:52 PM
Dacter
 
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Didnít watch one minute of this game or the last. Bliss.
Connoisseurs of piss poor refereeing performances would have been in for a real treat.
 
Unread 21-11-2023, 06:22 AM
Bunker Buster
 
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Watched about 20 minutes of the second half ....

Dion Dublin' kept calling players by their first name, "jack" "Phil" it was turning my stomach.....

Flicked over to watch zelensky's boys get robbed like they did to our gas prices...
 
Unread 21-11-2023, 07:11 AM
Stickman
 
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Unbeaten in the group. 1 defeat in the last 15 matches. Useless.
That squad could get to the world cup or euro QFs with Kane as player manager. Where they need a bit of managing is against the better outfits, where theyíve faltered pretty much every time under the human handbrake.
 
Unread 21-11-2023, 02:19 PM
Sheik JaBooty
 
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Unbeaten in the group. 1 defeat in the last 15 matches. Useless.
We'd probably have a similar record if we also played at League 2 level.

Though knowing us...
 
Unread 21-11-2023, 02:34 PM
Lok
 
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That squad could get to the world cup or euro QFs with Kane as player manager. Where they need a bit of managing is against the better outfits, where theyíve faltered pretty much every time under the human handbrake.
Nobody thought the team was any good at all when he took over. Now we're expected to make finals.

I don't like him and the style of football is awful to watch, but he has done a great job. He broke down the silos and got them playing as a team. Most England managers have failed to do that.

His skills don't really transfer to club football but he has been a good international manager.
 
Unread 22-11-2023, 12:15 AM
VanHaaksbergen
 
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Southgate's an embarrassment of a manager.
Best 11 in world football. By some margin. He won't win a pot in a thousand years.
 
Unread 22-11-2023, 02:34 AM
Stickman
 
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Nobody thought the team was any good at all when he took over. Now we're expected to make finals.

I don't like him and the style of football is awful to watch, but he has done a great job. He broke down the silos and got them playing as a team. Most England managers have failed to do that.

His skills don't really transfer to club football but he has been a good international manager.
Thats international football - you can select a top squad from what you have or you cant.

In the tournaments I feel hes done the minimum. The best side he's ever beaten in one is Germany, at Wembley.
 
Unread 22-11-2023, 06:26 AM
Ethers
 
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Nobody thought the team was any good at all when he took over. Now we're expected to make finals.
Are you aware of how international football works yeah?

This was his first England side.

Joe Hart

Kyle Walker
John Stones
Gary Cahill
Ryan Bertrand

Jordan Henderson
Dele Alli
Wayne Rooney

Theo Walcott
Daniel Sturridge
Jesse Lingard

Heís been incredibly blessed with the players who have come through. He legitimately has some of the best players in the world available to him now, so of course the expectations are high.

Heís taken a group of incredible talent and made a side thatís quite boring to watch. Theyíre undoubtedly pretty efficient at beating poor/average sides - they donít seem to have any problems during qualification or the early stages of tournaments, which hasnít always been the case. But surely thatís the bare minimum given the players heís got available, grinding out results against inferior teams.

Hard to think of many top sides heís beaten when it really counts, which is what actually matters if youíre going to win a tournament.
 
Unread 22-11-2023, 06:58 AM
magic_cantona
 
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Are you aware of how international football works yeah?

This was his first England side.

Joe Hart

Kyle Walker
John Stones
Gary Cahill
Ryan Bertrand

Jordan Henderson
Dele Alli
Wayne Rooney

Theo Walcott
Daniel Sturridge
Jesse Lingard

Heís been incredibly blessed with the players who have come through. He legitimately has some of the best players in the world available to him now, so of course the expectations are high.

Heís taken a group of incredible talent and made a side thatís quite boring to watch. Theyíre undoubtedly pretty efficient at beating poor/average sides - they donít seem to have any problems during qualification or the early stages of tournaments, which hasnít always been the case. But surely thatís the bare minimum given the players heís got available, grinding out results against inferior teams.

Hard to think of many top sides heís beaten when it really counts, which is what actually matters if youíre going to win a tournament.
Not an England fan, obviously, but agree with all of this. I'll watch most games that are on TV but England are just so £#%&!ing dull. They've got absolutely no balls or tactical nous when it comes to beating a competent team when it matters.

Southgate makes it worse for himself by sticking with his favourites - Kalvin Phillips plays 4 minutes between England meet ups, yet is a nailed on starter. Jordan Henderson is still a starter when he's been terrible for years. The lack of flair with the talent he can choose from can only come from the coach who puts them together. Tedious.
 
Unread 22-11-2023, 08:59 AM
Lok
 
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In my lifetime there has been at least 3 England teams with better talent. None got close to winning anything. Southgate has been closer to winning something than any manager since Ramsey.

The football is boring as £#%&! but the results are impressive. The level of talent has improved, especially with the emergence or Bellingham, but that doesn't guarantee results. Capello had Rooney, gerrard, Lampard, Rio and Terry and couldn't get them playing.
 
Unread 22-11-2023, 09:10 AM
magic_cantona
 
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In my lifetime there has been at least 3 England teams with better talent. None got close to winning anything. Southgate has been closer to winning something than any manager since Ramsey.

The football is boring as £#%&! but the results are impressive. The level of talent has improved, especially with the emergence or Bellingham, but that doesn't guarantee results. Capello had Rooney, gerrard, Lampard, Rio and Terry and couldn't get them playing.
Why do his good results only come in qualifying and friendlies?
 
Unread 22-11-2023, 09:25 AM
shenwen
 
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I was thinking Rashford just couldn't be arsed, but maybe he has actually forgotten how to play football. This "cameo" sums up his United season so far.

 
Unread 22-11-2023, 09:31 AM
NedKelly
 
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In my lifetime there has been at least 3 England teams with better talent. None got close to winning anything. Southgate has been closer to winning something than any manager since Ramsey.

The football is boring as £#%&! but the results are impressive. The level of talent has improved, especially with the emergence or Bellingham, but that doesn't guarantee results. Capello had Rooney, gerrard, Lampard, Rio and Terry and couldn't get them playing.
Would argue Englandís run in Euro 2020 was down to playing weaker teams. They played arguably the worst German side Iíve seen in my lifetime, then Ukraine and Denmark. They then came up against a very workmanlike Italian side (who Iím still convinced were doped up to the eyeballs), and imo they lost that game due to Southgateís poor management - taking off Rice and leaving Kalvin Phillips on when they were arguably on top in the second half killed Englandís momentum altogether and iirc Italy started piling the pressure back on. Then the awful penalty calls - giving Saka the 5th penalty

Last yearís World Cup was classic England. Did well against the weaker sides and the moment they came up against a top team in France, they buckled under the pressure.

2018 World Cup a similar story. Beat Colombia on pens (woohoo!), beat Sweden, got beat by Croatia.
 
Unread 22-11-2023, 09:34 AM
tatty
 
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We are appallingly negative and tactically naive against better sides.

If we're going to play this way we may as well have a manager who is good at it.

Mourinho.
 
Unread 22-11-2023, 09:38 AM
Ethers
 
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In my lifetime there has been at least 3 England teams with better talent. None got close to winning anything. Southgate has been closer to winning something than any manager since Ramsey.

The football is boring as £#%&! but the results are impressive. The level of talent has improved, especially with the emergence or Bellingham, but that doesn't guarantee results. Capello had Rooney, gerrard, Lampard, Rio and Terry and couldn't get them playing.
Which England teams?
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