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Unread 15-07-2009, 11:20 AM
Albert Tatlock
 
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Benito Mussolini. Economic genius.

made the trains run on time as well
 
Unread 15-07-2009, 11:25 AM
denis lawless
 
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Actually, the one thing that a conspiracy theorist has no room for is doubt.
i thought that it was the doubt in official versions of events that CT's exploited
 
Unread 15-07-2009, 11:38 AM
red red robbo
 
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i thought that it was the doubt in official versions of events that CT's exploited
There can be no doubt in the official version at all and CTist will still come up with some unsubstantiated BS.

The point is they have absolutely no doubt in their version of the "facts".
 
Unread 15-07-2009, 11:46 AM
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Peter the Great. Modernised Russia from a country of backward bearded clowns through a European-facing re-birth. Hated Moscow so moved the capital to a new city , which he decided should be built on a marsh.

Came back from his travels and cut off the long beards of his noblemen as a symbol that the country had to modernise, and because none of them were qualified wizards anyway.

Just thought, the fact that he's called 'the Great' perhaps means he's not underrated.
 
Unread 15-07-2009, 11:50 AM
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The vikings - Just liked drinking lager, having a tear up, killing priests, stealing jewels and had an eye for the ladies. What's wrong with that?
 
Unread 15-07-2009, 11:55 AM
Fountz
 
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Benito Mussolini. Economic genius.
I read Bosworth's excellent biography on him a couple of years ago. I am still undecided as to whether he was indeed a genius who due to unfortunate circumstances, bad timing and bad luck fell in with the wrong crowd... or was a complete and utter £#%&!wit ?!
 
Unread 15-07-2009, 11:58 AM
eddie dane
 
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Unread 15-07-2009, 12:15 PM
Gazw649
 
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Michael Owen
 
Unread 15-07-2009, 12:23 PM
Pop
 
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Gary Glitter. Not his fault all those kids were so damn sexy.

 
Unread 15-07-2009, 12:24 PM
Harry Flashman
 
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Juan Sebastian Veron


Maggie Thatcher. (Tin hat)
 
Unread 15-07-2009, 12:45 PM
dodger
 
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I read Bosworth's excellent biography on him a couple of years ago. I am still undecided as to whether he was indeed a genius who due to unfortunate circumstances, bad timing and bad luck fell in with the wrong crowd... or was a complete and utter £#%&!wit ?!
Read dodgers short thesis on him if you have any doubts: He was a £#%&!ing @#%&! of the highest order.
 
Unread 15-07-2009, 12:48 PM
Charlestown Rouge
 
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Read dodgers short thesis on him if you have any doubts: He was a £#%&!ing @#%&! of the highest order.
No doubt.

My point was that he transformed the Italian economy with a series of imaginative initiatives.
 
Unread 15-07-2009, 12:52 PM
red red robbo
 
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No doubt.

My point was that he transformed the Italian economy with a series of imaginative initiatives.
You could say Hitler did the same thing in Germany
 
Unread 15-07-2009, 12:53 PM
Fountz
 
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Read dodgers short thesis on him if you have any doubts: He was a £#%&!ing @#%&! of the highest order.
Ive read it before Dodge, yadda yadda fascist, yadda yadda petrol down the throats etc etc.. I know I know I £#%&!ing know. Sure I know he was responsible for a lot of @#%&!ish things by virtue of the fact that they happended on his watch, but the thread was about underrated and unfairly maligned historical figures, Charlestown mentioned Mussolini, I responded by adding my two-penneth.
 
Unread 15-07-2009, 12:53 PM
dodger
 
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Ive read it before Dodge, yadda yadda fascist, yadda yadda petrol down the throats etc etc.. I know I know I £#%&!ing know. Sure I know he was responsible for a lot of @#%&!ish things by viryue of the fact that they happended on hiw watch, but the thread was about underrated and unfairly maligned historical figures, Charlestown mentioned Mussolini, I responded by adding my two-penneth.


Am I becoming predictable?
 
Unread 15-07-2009, 12:55 PM
Gruber
 
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Bloke from the Joy of Sex book?
 
Unread 15-07-2009, 01:08 PM
Fountz
 
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Am I becoming predictable?
You should read Bosworth's biography. Very readable and you can knock it off in a few days. I'll tell you who was a @#%&!, Anthony £#%&!ing Eden.
 
Unread 15-07-2009, 01:10 PM
no fun
 
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You should read Bosworth's biography. Very readable and you can knock it off in a few days. I'll tell you who was a @#%&!, Anthony £#%&!ing Eden.
agreed, and his good mate mountbatten
 
Unread 15-07-2009, 02:00 PM
denis lawless
 
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Bloke from the Joy of Sex book?
 
Unread 15-07-2009, 02:03 PM
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In the 20th century the family achieved contemporary notoriety for their controversial and stylish lives as young people, and later for their very public political divisions between communism and fascism. The six daughters of the family were known collectively as the Mitford sisters. Nancy and Jessica became well-known writers and Deborah managed one of the most successful stately homes in England. Jessica and Deborah both married nephews-by-marriage of prime ministers, Winston Churchill and Harold Macmillan respectively. Deborah and Diana married wealthy aristocrats. Unity and Diana were well known during the 1930s for being close to Adolf Hitler. In the early 1980s, Deborah also became politically active when she and her husband, the Duke of Devonshire, became leading lights in the newly formed political party, the SDP.

The sisters were the children of David Freeman-Mitford, 2nd Baron Redesdale, known to his children as "Farve" and various other nicknames. Their mother was Sydney Freeman-Mitford, Baroness Redesdale, known as "Muv", the daughter of Thomas Bowles, whom David married in 1904. The family homes changed from Batsford House to Asthall Manor beside the River Windrush in Oxfordshire (51°48′2.11″N 1°35′13.60″W / 51.8005861°N 1.5871111°W / 51.8005861; -1.5871111), and then Swinbrook Cottage nearby, with a house at Rutland Gate in London. The Mitford sisters (and their one brother) grew up in an aristocratic country house, not unusual for its time, with emotionally distant parents, a large household with numerous servants, and a disregard for formal education, at least where the girls of the family were concerned; they were expected to marry young and well. The parents were described as "nature's fascists"; at least two of their daughters followed in their footsteps, while one turned her back on her inherited privileges and ran away to become a Communist, a result of the excitements of European politics in the 1930s. Following on from the biographical sketches of many of the family characters in Nancy's books, Jessica's memoir Hons and Rebels describes their upbringing. The children had a private language called "Boudledidge" (pronounced 'boodledidge'), and each had a different nickname for the others.

On the outbreak of the Second World War, their political views came into sharper relief. "Farve" remained a conservative but "Muv" usually supported her fascist daughters, and they separated in the late 1940s. Nancy, a moderate socialist, worked in London during The Blitz. Pamela remained non-political. Tom, a fascist, refused to fight Germany but volunteered to fight against Imperial Japan. He was killed in combat a short time after arriving in Asia. Diana (married to Oswald Mosley), a fascist, was interned in London for three years. Unity, distraught over the war declaration against Hitler, tried to commit suicide and suffered brain damage eventually leading to her early death. Jessica, a communist supporter, had moved to the U.S., but her husband Esmond volunteered for the RAF and was killed during an air raid. The political rivalry between Jessica and Diana lasted until their deaths, with the other sisters in frequent contact.

The sisters are noted as prolific letter-writers. A substantial body of correspondence still exists, principally letters between the sisters

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