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Unread 14-05-2021, 12:15 AM
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The only players in our team that can hit it 40 yards+ with any accuracy and consistency are Pogba and... erm... nope. Thatís it.
 
Unread 14-05-2021, 12:15 AM
lurkermclurkface
 
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I f***ing despise it.

Another chin-stroking, philoso**** tactic brought in by that autistic f*** at City that everyone's copied along with copious tactical fouls.

Just get the ball forward and make the c***s defend from the back.
It works if you have the players who are technically able to deal with it.
 
Unread 14-05-2021, 12:16 AM
ZiggyStardust
 
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Who's talking about banging it up the pitch? i've watched City and Liverpool's goalkeepers spray the ball 40 yards up the pitch to full backs and wingers. You are allowed to mix it up and make teams defend from the back.

One of the basic, fundamental principles of football going back decades is that you play to your strengths. You don't deliberately put yourself in positions that your players quite obviously aren't good enough to cope with because that's just dumb.

Mctominay and fred receiving the ball facing their own goal is a disaster waiting to happen. It's foolhardy and it's asking for trouble. If you want to play out from the back it would be an idea to get defenders who are comfortable with the ball at feet and not like ours who apart from Shaw treat the ball like a live hand grenade.
As I said above the odd long ball forward is fine
Sure when it isnít on to play it out then yes play it long but you have to play out from the back when it is on otherwise weíre never going to get close to winning the PL or CL

That third goal wasnít risky play as most Prem footballers should have been able to find a team mate
It was sheer incompetence from players who had lost their heads
 
Unread 14-05-2021, 12:22 AM
Patty_b
 
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Who's talking about banging it up the pitch? i've watched City and Liverpool's goalkeepers spray the ball 40 yards up the pitch to full backs and wingers. You are allowed to mix it up and make teams defend from the back.

One of the basic, fundamental principles of football going back decades is that you play to your strengths. You don't deliberately put yourself in positions that your players quite obviously aren't good enough to cope with because that's just dumb.

Mctominay and fred receiving the ball facing their own goal is a disaster waiting to happen. It's foolhardy and it's asking for trouble. If you want to play out from the back it would be an idea to get defenders who are comfortable with the ball at feet and not like ours who apart from Shaw treat the ball like a live hand grenade.
We don't have Liverpool or City's goalkeepers, so if you're talking about us playing it long from the back, then you're talking about banging it up the pitch.

Liverpool and City both broke transfer records bringing those keepers in. If we want our keeper to do what their keepers do, then we're probably going to have to pay for it.

Probably cheaper to just replace Fred tbh.
 
Unread 14-05-2021, 01:40 AM
tatty
 
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If you've got Scholes, Carrick and Ferdinand in your side then you could pass through a 22 man press.

Unfortunately we've got Deacon, Hawkings and Wonder.
 
Unread 14-05-2021, 03:25 AM
shenwen
 
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It was working from the first half. The problem is the risk is always there: with a player like Fred you are going to give the opposition one chance per game. At least.
 
Unread 14-05-2021, 06:06 AM
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It NEVER works in the long run.....I don't care what players you have

My under 8's have to retreat to halfway from an opposition goal kick (allowing the other team at least a go at getting out, FA;rules) as soon as its out they are like wolves sprinting at the defence, honestly believe they could get the ball off our defenders...

It's not cute, it's not some f***ing new way of playing football, it's crept in over the last few years as some intellectual way of clearing your lines....

We get it,y ou practice close control and little triangles holding bibs in your hands, LOL MEGGGGGGS...

f*** off and clear your lines when you're in danger or being pressed high....
 
Unread 14-05-2021, 10:16 AM
RARAMSES
 
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Not good enough to do it simples
 
Unread 14-05-2021, 10:21 AM
NedKelly
 
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Itís not just us - I see the likes of Burnley and Brighton try and pull it off against City and Liverpool and aside from the odd occasion they always get their arses handed to them. It plays into the hands of those teams and we should know better. We havenít looked great in possession all season, and when have played well itís generally through quick transitional play and counter attacking football. Daft stuff and I hope we learn from it.
 
Unread 14-05-2021, 11:46 AM
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So City play long ball football then

Playing the odd long ball is fine but most of the time you have to be brave otherwise youíll have about 20% possession and be camped in your own final third all game
I didnít say that did I? Are you new to the word ďwhenĒ mate? Why do people feel the need to artificially create extreme black and white positions in order to reinforce their point? Itís obvious and boring. Trying to pretend Iím classing City as Wimbledon doesnít make your point more valid.

Winning football is about variation not repetition. Itís why Antonio Valencia was devastating in his first season then got found out thereafter; because he did the same thing over and over. Itís also why weíve struggled against teams who have identified our vulnerability in playing out from deep against a high energy well organised press.

If you were an oppo manager, are you really telling me your plan vs us wouldnít be to harry our defenders as much as possible when we try to play out? We f***ing hate it, that much is clear.

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