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fwiw the best of all worlds would be for as many mom-fc as are able to get to gigg lane on saturday. and then as many fc as possible to get to the next home game to bolster the protests, the singing etc. 'not one penny' is all well and good but if you know somebody else will fill the space you leave behind, without bringing the knowledge and passion and willingness to fight, then it strikes me as self-indulgence, no offence. it would be idiotic to suggest that the g&g protests at ot are not having an effect. refusing to join them seems like a very strange way to behave. imo. |
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never fails to amuse me in serious threads when the username is used I appreciate that you dont really like the way the company is being run Surfers do Charlie, but its like HolyMackrelDoodleBonkon says, in this current economic climate you cant expect the likes of beersexchipsgravy to change his policy. Did i think into that too much !?! |
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As for people filling the space you leave behind, if this is the case, why are more tickets on open sale this season than there have been for years? As I've said above, I think a mass one-match boycott is a possibility, but people don't seem keen unfortunately. If it were done, I know for a fact (because it's been discussed) that a ton of FC fans would join it, outside OT. |
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United aren't going to be forced into bankruptcy. I'd have thought someone of your apparent intelligence would be aware of that. The idea of boycotting is to £#%&! the glazer 'business plan' hard in the arse, forcing them to sell. As things stand, they couldn't give a £#%&! about people in scarves, because those crazy rebels are paying off the PIKs that the glazers currently owe. The bond issue has put the 500m of bank loans on the back burner, so they can pay off their PIKs and rape millions from the club through the bond structure. Your lily livered lefty attitude is one that has been adopted by the majority for 5 years and where has it got us? Absolutely nowhere. The green and gold was supposed to be a starting point of something bigger, but the bulk of @#%&!s inside the ground have no intention of taking it any further at all. |
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what the £#%&! has left or right got to do with how best to get rid of the glazers you pillock? as to the rest, it's all just spleen. there has been £#%&! all visible protest for 5 years and so it got nowhere. there has been a visible protest for a month and a half and it's had more effect than 5 years of fc. i'm not anti-fc, as i've said before, but if you think the creation of fc even rippled the glazers' collective consciousness then you're barking mad. btw, the g&g protests have had a big effect. they've given journos a hook to hang a story on, which creates pressure, which can help to bring about the kind of change i mentioned, from the fa, from uefa. a journo needs a reason to write a story. they might be aware of the debt issue but unless there's an opening they'll struggle to get it into the paper. the same goes for mps and for serious people at the fa and uefa (there are some). it's no coincidence that since the g&g started there has been a burgeoning debate about debt levels in football generally and what can be done about it. |
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At the time, FC provided many an 'opening' for journos to write about football's problems, and there were countless articles then. The problem at the time was the more didn't come on board - firstly because non-league football didn't entice them (and fair enough on that score, each to their own etc.) and secondly, because United won trophies again. I support these protests, but I don't agree they're any more effective than anything that's gone before. Unless they lead somewhere, they'll mean nothing. And at the end of it all, what's the final goal in all this? I suppose it depends on your point of view but for me, it is affordable football run by supporters, forging strong links with the community - which is exactly what clubs like AFC Wimbledon and FC United have set out to provide for years. It's short-sighted to say that FC United haven't rippled the Glazers' consciousness. Clubs like FC are a long-term plan, and in any case, the club's community work is fantastic. This is why the council are favourable to the club's plans - they've been hugely impressed with the club's approach to the community, something which most clubs binned off years ago to chase commercialism. It's a lot more than a few hundred pissed up #@&%!heads singing songs, which is of course where the 'FC are so smug' crew turn up. Back to the 'visible protest' and Badge's original point, I still don't see what's wrong with inviting reds to gather - even if it is in Bury - when United aren't playing. If you think FC has achieved £#%&! all, well maybe this is a chance to prove otherwise. Those who say 'I thought FC was supposed to be a protest club', well, United aren't playing tomorrow, so go to Gigg Lane, wave your G&G scarf and it will be a protest club. |
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FC is neither here nor there. Lefty as in soft arsed liberal shite. Ooh let's not doing anything drastic now piss weak mentality. What do you think G+G has achieved in terms of actually getting them out then? All it has done is raised awareness - that's it. It's better than nothing, but it's the first step and for the vast majority, the last step too. It's all very well mentioning MPs and debt levels in football, and if somehow (I doubt it) laws can be passed to stop @#%&!s coming in and raping clubs, then £#%&!ing great, but it's not as if the government are going to say 'excuse me mr.glazer, we don't like your great big £#%&!off debt mountain that has been heaped on United - would you please undo it all and go away'. They're not going to help United now - only the fans have the power to do that and force the @#%&!s to sell to someone better. |
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