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Unread 03-09-2021, 06:52 PM
armchair
 
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Big moves. I still hope Afghanistan may ruin them. I wonder how long Taiwan will last.


 
Unread 03-09-2021, 07:24 PM
red in cumbria
 
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Taiwan couldn't resist a full scale mainland invasion, but the locals would take down many Chinese soldiers in the process. Beijing knows this.
 
Unread 03-09-2021, 07:41 PM
red red robbo
 
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China won't put boots on the ground in Afghanistan, not their own anyway.

Now would be the ideal time to move against Taiwan. There would be zero appetite for the US to go to their aid. What would we do? f*** all. So long as the cheap TVs keep rolling in the rest of the world would just live with whatever the Chinese do.

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Originally Posted by red in cumbria
Taiwan couldn't resist a full scale mainland invasion, but the locals would take down many Chinese soldiers in the process. Beijing knows this.
Doubt they care much though. Its how the Chinese military have always operated they can afford to lose more troops than their opponents.
 
Unread 03-09-2021, 08:32 PM
Neo
 
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They are making a move into the global power vacuum that is being created as America is poisoned from within by woke culture.

Everything they are doing seems to be designed to take advantage of the growing weakness of the West, with a central emphasis on creating a strong, masculine-led race to claim world dominance.

Brexit is the first fallen domino that will trigger a fragmentation of Europe, and the USA is cracking at the seams with the polar diversion of their extreme identity politics. It's soon to be a Chinese world, and we'll just be living in it.

The one hope is that America finds itself again, and revitalises it's core beliefs, but it will take a truly special, once-in-a-century leader to bring that country together, and it appears that as a nation they are now too far gone as the rot of a declining empire has well and truly set in.
 
Unread 03-09-2021, 08:36 PM
rubbernecker
 
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Originally Posted by armchair
Big moves. I still hope Afghanistan may ruin them. I wonder how long Taiwan will last.

https://youtu.be/RDrfE9I8_hs

https://youtu.be/6xcvDMDg8TY

One of the new generation of breadtube scammers pushing cia/state dept narratives

Same grift as the russiagate nonsense that the dems ran with and equally nonsensical and hysterical in pushing for conflict on behalf of the profiteers of the arms industry ,war machine and us deep state

Lessons learnt from the lies that fuelled the Afghanistan /Iraq/Syrian/Libyan debacles . Zero
 
Unread 03-09-2021, 08:38 PM
plopborsky
 
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Originally Posted by Neo
They are making a move into the global power vacuum that is being created as America is poisoned from within by woke culture.

Everything they are doing seems to be designed to take advantage of the growing weakness of the West, with a central emphasis on creating a strong, masculine-led race to claim world dominance.

Brexit is the first fallen domino that will trigger a fragmentation of Europe, and the USA is cracking at the seams with the polar diversion of their extreme identity politics. It's soon to be a Chinese world, and we'll just be living in it.

The one hope is that America finds itself again, and revitalises it's core beliefs, but it will take a truly special, once-in-a-century leader to bring that country together, and it appears that as a nation they are now too far gone as the rot of a declining empire has well and truly set in.
looking forward to the long weekend here pal rot has started nqat
 
Unread 03-09-2021, 09:08 PM
Arnold Muhren
 
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They basically own Africa and access to its natural resources already. They’re going to take over the world without a war being fought (not including ‘proxy wars’ ofc).
 
Unread 03-09-2021, 09:23 PM
TripDownMiseryLane
 
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I just don't get the buy in that people have for the standard US narrative on China (or many of the other standard US narratives on just about anything for that matter)

China looks at the history of western imperialism and justifiably feels threatened and will obviously look to defend itself. But as importantly, it views western imperialism as a failed project which it has no intention at all of mimicking or repeating the same inevitable failures.

Judging the Chinese by western standards is to completely misunderstand the way they operate and how they view the world. The west views a thousand miles as a long distance and a hundred years as a long time, to the Chinese these are very small potatoes.
 
Unread 03-09-2021, 09:32 PM
Bunker Buster
 
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China don't do "boots on the ground" absolute fannies....
 
Unread 03-09-2021, 09:36 PM
red red robbo
 
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I've no idea what the standard US narrative is, but I have been warning about the inevitable rise of China to become a true world superpower for years now. It's obvious that they have recently woken up to what a powerful position they have been in and are now stating to flex their muscles.

It's hardly surprising considering China were the dominant force in the world long before the rise of the Europeans and even the existence of the US. Everything goes in cycles and it's the East's turn again.

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China don't do "boots on the ground" absolute fannies....
I think the Gloucesters might dispute that

But no, not anymore. They're smarter than that.
 
Unread 03-09-2021, 09:41 PM
TripDownMiseryLane
 
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I've no idea what the standard US narrative is, but I have been warning about the rise inevitable of China to become a true world superpower for years now. It's obvious that they have recently woken up to what a powerful position they have been in and are now stating to flex their muscles.

It's hardly surprising considering China were the dominant force in the world long before the rise of the Europeans and even the existence of the US. Everything goes in cycles and it's the East's turn again.
Warning? Warning about what exactly? Do you just assume that they will just repeat the same failures of the west because that's what powerful countries do?
 
Unread 03-09-2021, 09:48 PM
Switching Off
 
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Unread 03-09-2021, 10:03 PM
red red robbo
 
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Warning? Warning about what exactly? Do you just assume that they will just repeat the same failures of the west because that's what powerful countries do?
No, they will become the dominant economic and possibly military force on the planet and we will have to dance to their tune the way we have danced to the American's for the last 70 years.

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Game over man
 
Unread 03-09-2021, 10:06 PM
red in cumbria
 
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Doubt they care much though. Its how the Chinese military have always operated they can afford to lose more troops than their opponents.
Still got their arses kicked by Vietnam back in 1979, though
 
Unread 03-09-2021, 10:22 PM
red red robbo
 
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Still got their arses kicked by Vietnam back in 1979, though
I think you may be overstating that a little
And the Vietnamese had a little help.
 
Unread 04-09-2021, 03:40 AM
Baron
 
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Originally Posted by Neo
They are making a move into the global power vacuum that is being created as America is poisoned from within by woke culture.

Everything they are doing seems to be designed to take advantage of the growing weakness of the West, with a central emphasis on creating a strong, masculine-led race to claim world dominance.

Brexit is the first fallen domino that will trigger a fragmentation of Europe, and the USA is cracking at the seams with the polar diversion of their extreme identity politics. It's soon to be a Chinese world, and we'll just be living in it.

The one hope is that America finds itself again, and revitalises it's core beliefs, but it will take a truly special, once-in-a-century leader to bring that country together, and it appears that as a nation they are now too far gone as the rot of a declining empire has well and truly set in.
Interesting take. & hard to argue against if you’re zooming out far enough. But the place is so utterly vast & that woke shit literally exists on either coast & maybe Austin. The other 90% is as it’s ever been. There’s good takes, there’s horrendous ones. My concern is the viability of actual civil war. The country is somewhere around 30% militarised, it’s vast and astounding how many have served there. Those who have training are NOT Democrats from what I can tell because they are advocating idiocy, not debate / real action. It’s so childish as to be terrifying. They need real leadership… Biden is not it. Harris will be despicable if you’ve a clue about her approach to law. I do not know who’ll save them, but it’s not happening soon. My (de facto) in-laws are either coast, and my only moderate voice is a guy who works for me in Houston.

As a nation it’s as lost as can be. You tell hundreds of millions people they’re incredible individuals for their whole lives they’ll believe it. If you then militarise it… shit. Dumb + guns and privilege. Implosion incoming. Worst thing is the Republicans aren’t even able to eloquently explain this imminent shambles, they just want to fight because they’ve been radicalised.

It’s f***ed. A failed, depressing opportunity.
 
Unread 04-09-2021, 11:22 AM
rubbernecker
 
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Originally Posted by Baron
Interesting take. & hard to argue against if you’re zooming out far enough. But the place is so utterly vast & that woke shit literally exists on either coast & maybe Austin. The other 90% is as it’s ever been. There’s good takes, there’s horrendous ones. My concern is the viability of actual civil war. The country is somewhere around 30% militarised, it’s vast and astounding how many have served there. Those who have training are NOT Democrats from what I can tell because they are advocating idiocy, not debate / real action. It’s so childish as to be terrifying. They need real leadership… Biden is not it. Harris will be despicable if you’ve a clue about her approach to law. I do not know who’ll save them, but it’s not happening soon. My (de facto) in-laws are either coast, and my only moderate voice is a guy who works for me in Houston.

As a nation it’s as lost as can be. You tell hundreds of millions people they’re incredible individuals for their whole lives they’ll believe it. If you then militarise it… shit. Dumb + guns and privilege. Implosion incoming. Worst thing is the Republicans aren’t even able to eloquently explain this imminent shambles, they just want to fight because they’ve been radicalised.

It’s f***ed. A failed, depressing opportunity.
While I can agree with some of your staements I feel you're focusing on the symptoms and not the cause

From the vid below

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China’s policy is exactly the policy that made the United States the industrial power of the world in the 19th century.

China, like the United States, built public utilities to provide public services at low, subsidized costs, so as to enable its private industry not to have to pay for the costs of education, for high rental costs and housing costs, and high monopoly rents.

China is doing exactly what the United States did, and what the United States now says, no other country can do what we did; we’ve pulled up the ladder, and our wealthy rentier layer of the population that got rich, now, having gained control of the United States, and its politics, we want to control the whole world.



Ever since World War One, there has been a movement away from industrial capitalism, towards financialization of the economies, towards finance capitalism, based on a merger between the financial sector and the rent extraction sector, mainly the FIRE sector – finance, insurance, and real estate – and also the natural monopolies where the banks have taken the lead in organizing trusts and organizing monopolies.

Well the real existential threat isn’t a trade rivalry; it’s not one of technology at all. The existential threat is to the idea of an economy based on completely a rentier system. In today’s world, the banks play the role that landlords played from the feudal epoch through the 19th century.


....finance capitalism, such as we have in the US, doesn’t live in the long run; its timeframe is short term, one quarter at most, three months. And the timeframe is, how can we increase the price of our stock so that we can sell out and jump out of the sinking boat, when the time comes.

They are not concerned with making the economy richer; they’re not concerned with making their labor force happier, better paid, or with a better standard of living, or even getting long-term pensions, which have been replaced by defined contribution plans instead of defined benefit plans


China does not want a rentier class to do what they have done in the United States and make America into a centrally planned economy. We’re now more of a centrally planned economy than Nazi Germany was. But the centrally planned economy is in Wall Street, in the financial system, not the government.

China’s whole management system, although it’s centrally managed, you need a strong state in order to prevent an independent rentier class, an independent financial class, from emerging and doing to modern economies what it did to the Byzantine Empire, and tried to do in the Bronze Age Near East: take over the government.

Transcript

https://thegrayzone.com/2021/05/12/n...ichael-hudson/

More

America’s Neoliberal Financialization Policy vs. China’s Industrial Socialism

https://michael-hudson.com/2021/04/a...ial-socialism/
 
Unread 04-09-2021, 11:27 AM
TripDownMiseryLane
 
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Originally Posted by Baron
Interesting take. & hard to argue against if you’re zooming out far enough. But the place is so utterly vast & that woke shit literally exists on either coast & maybe Austin. The other 90% is as it’s ever been. There’s good takes, there’s horrendous ones. My concern is the viability of actual civil war. The country is somewhere around 30% militarised, it’s vast and astounding how many have served there. Those who have training are NOT Democrats from what I can tell because they are advocating idiocy, not debate / real action. It’s so childish as to be terrifying. They need real leadership… Biden is not it. Harris will be despicable if you’ve a clue about her approach to law. I do not know who’ll save them, but it’s not happening soon. My (de facto) in-laws are either coast, and my only moderate voice is a guy who works for me in Houston.

As a nation it’s as lost as can be. You tell hundreds of millions people they’re incredible individuals for their whole lives they’ll believe it. If you then militarise it… shit. Dumb + guns and privilege. Implosion incoming. Worst thing is the Republicans aren’t even able to eloquently explain this imminent shambles, they just want to fight because they’ve been radicalised.

It’s f***ed. A failed, depressing opportunity.
Its whole history since Columbus tipped up there has been a disaster and a running crime against humanity and it won't go quietly.

The results of all of the attitudinal surveys conducted in the USA should be scaring the living shit out of the rest of humanity. The levels of mass psychosis and radical delusion are off the scale and they aren't minority belief systems.

As a nation it's an atomic UX car bomb being driven at speed by a blind crew
 
Unread 04-09-2021, 06:33 PM
red in cumbria
 
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Yes, looks like the US is going to have another civil war to sort its shit out.

And just as the first time, there can only be one side realistically winning that - and no its not the areas who almost literally think Trump is the second coming.
 
Unread 04-09-2021, 06:35 PM
Bunker Buster
 
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Originally Posted by red in cumbria
Yes, looks like the US is going to have another civil war to sort its shit out.
Is it ?

RIC is never wrong with his Geo political shouts ..

Lump on, hope the resident yank fredstes are ok .
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