Ole

Originally Posted by Sparky***

There is a hell of a lot of truth in this post - despite the fact some people will not like it.

The problem with Solskjaer above all else is that people will continue to judge him as the player rather than the manager.

Putting aside all affection for the man, what he's served up for the vast majority of his two years in charge has been utter garbage. Bar two unbeaten runs which have totalled about 25 games of his 100 or so in charge.

As always with these things the proof will be in the pudding. You can't hide piss poof performances and results at the end of the day, no matter how creative you want to be with your excuses.

United and Solksjaer are in big £#%&!ing touble. A couple more performances like these and the manager will be gone. And the sad fact is you can't blame transfer windows and owners in florida for a defensive performance as poor as that. That is basic, fundamental team shape that should have been worked out on the training pitch.

I don't give a £#%&! how 'not match fit' they are or whether or not we've signed any more players, what the £#%&! is going on at Carrington? We've looked like shipping 5 goals every single game this season, so why the £#%&! has this not been addressed on the training ground?

Yes, it's damning and there's no way round it. We've not been unlucky and the alarming thing is that yesterday wasn't even that much of a shock. We have looked like conceding that many in every league game. We just came up against a side with Son and kane, instead of Maupy.

That one is on Ole and his staff. He's been here long enough to competently organise a defence.

The owners and the CEO are the biggest problem , but that doesn't mean the manager can't be too

As you say, proof is in the pudding. Results and performances like this will not be tolerated for long, no matter how much he might be keeping the bigger picture in mind.

1 or 2 more like that out of the next 3 and he'll be gone.

Originally Posted by Red Devils Always

We been shambolic since Sir Alex left we spent around £1,000,000,000 in 7 years.

And not a single world class striker Denfender or Middfilder to show for it

You think this is a lot but compared to Man City it nothing in 12 years they spent close to 1,800,000,000.

They have a better all around squad then us

We can not even make a profit on our deadwood

blame Ole or jose or Van Gal and Moyes, this is not the manager fault

Sacking Ole not going to resolve anything no manager is going to be able to return man utd to the top without backing from the Glazers

We are carrying a massive debt of around 500,000,000

Plus.

It not even Ed fault because at the end of the day he just a employee like ole

It took Liverpool 30 years to return to the top it will properly take us around the same time to get rid of the glazers

Until the glazers go nothing will change at Utd in 7 years we not made a single penny of profit on any player we brought and resold

If your not able to make a profit on the player you brought and had to resell to rise funds to buy that should tell you something.

I rather wake up to the news the glazers are selling utd to oil rich country then we signed Jadon sancho

love alwaysers tbh, on the money as per

Originally Posted by Sparky***

I'm not re-writing anything. Please stop trying to make out getting to two semi finals (both of which we lost miserably) is some sort of measure of success ffs. We're manchester united.

He's been in charge two years and we should be doing a lot £#%&!ing better than that.

Losing semi finals is not an achievement.

Still feel sorry for Ole. Really wish he hadn't taken the job.

He performed a miracle getting us to 3rd last season but it was more by luck than anything else.

We have a team or poorly coached fannies who look scared of the ball. The manager has to take responsibility for that. He's had enough transfer windows to put it right but we still lack mental strength. The team is crying out for some leaders and winners.

Maybe Cavani helps to rectify that but it needs a lot more than a 33 year old who will spend half of the time on the bench. If we'd signed leaders to replace Lindelof and Matic, we'd look a different team. Money shouldn't have been an issue, it was essential.

Originally Posted by Sparky***

I'm not re-writing anything. Please stop trying to make out getting to two semi finals (both of which we lost miserably) is some sort of measure of success ffs. We're manchester united.

He's been in charge two years and we should be doing a lot £#%&!ing better than that.

You are pal. Its mental. It was his first full season with an incredibly young squad. He exceeded the expectations of most of us, including you.

You can say that they don't know to coach until you go blue in the face, but when presented with the fact that our defensive record last season was one of the best in Europe, it doesn't make sense. How the £#%&! do you explain that if the manager and staff can't coach and the players are shite?

Something is seriously £#%&!ed this season nqat, but saying we've been utter garbage under Ole is plain £#%&!ing stupid.

Originally Posted by Patty_b

It's really hasn't.

Again, 3rd last season, two semi-finals, one of the most prolific front three in Europe and one of the best defences in Europe. One of the teams with youngest average age in the league.

The start to this season has been utter garbage but trying to rewrite history for the worse isn't going to help anything.

Ole will go, someone else will come in and all this shit will happen again and you'll post the exact same thing all over again.

There’s re-writing history, then there’s citing facts that gloss over the true picture. We finished third yes, but with 66 points. How often has 66 been enough in the history of the Premier League? How many weeks went by where we were saying ‘how many chances are Chelsea going to give us and we keep £#%&!ing it up?’ How reliant were we on an utter meltdown by Leicester to pinch it in the final week? Yeah we got it, great, but we were always on the cusp of going one way or the other; without building on that it’s all meaningless. The way we’re playing, do you see anything other than a group stage exit?

The semi against Chelsea we were £#%&!ing useless, and the latter stages of the EL weren’t much better. Who remembers losing finalists, let alone losing semi finalists. Hardly a badge of honour.

I said last week we look poorly coached, particularly at the back, and you were all over that shit. Now everyone is saying it, not because we want it to be true, it just is. Palace battered us which should have been a wake up call for Brighton; it wasn’t. Brighton should have been a wake up call for Spurs; it wasn’t. What the £#%&! is going on at Carrington? Either we’re not organising them properly or they’re not £#%&!ing listening. Either way isn’t good news for Ole and his team.

Originally Posted by Patty_b

You are pal. Its mental. It was his first full season with an incredibly young squad. He exceeded the expectations of most of us, including you.

You can say that they don't know to coach until you go blue in the face, but when presented with the fact that our defensive record last season was one of the best in Europe, it doesn't make sense. How the £#%&! do you explain that if the manager and staff can't coach and the players are shite?

Something is seriously £#%&!ed this season nqat, but saying we've been utter garbage under Ole is plain £#%&!ing stupid.

Our team blows hot and cold under him because they're so mentally weak. When things are going ok, there's enough quality in the team to win matches. As soon as anything goes wrong we're £#%&!ed. If that's not down to coaching, what is it?

3rd last season was an utter fluke, without Covid there's no chance we'd have finished as high. Bruno had a huge impact and Solskaer/the club deserve credit for that, but why wasn't he signed in the summer?

How many of the players have improved under Ole? What is our best XI? What style of football is the team trying to play? I'm not sure it's easy to answer any of those. Ole is clearly hindered by senior management, but there's no way the squad we have should be getting beaten by the likes of Palace so easily and humiliated by Spurs. It's his job to improve players and get the best results he can with what he has. He has a squad better than anyone apart from City and Liverpool. He is failing.

Originally Posted by utd99

There’s re-writing history, then there’s citing facts that gloss over the true picture. We finished third yes, but with 66 points. How often has 66 been enough in the history of the Premier League? How many weeks went by where we were saying ‘how many chances are Chelsea going to give us and we keep £#%&!ing it up?’ How reliant were we on an utter meltdown by Leicester to pinch it in the final week? Yeah we got it, great, but we were always on the cusp of going one way or the other; without building on that it’s all meaningless. The way we’re playing, do you see anything other than a group stage exit?

The semi against Chelsea we were £#%&!ing useless, and the latter stages of the EL weren’t much better. Who remembers losing finalists, let alone losing semi finalists. Hardly a badge of honour.

I said last week we look poorly coached, particularly at the back, and you were all over that shit. Now everyone is saying it, not because we want it to be true, it just is. Palace battered us which should have been a wake up call for Brighton; it wasn’t. Brighton should have been a wake up call for Spurs; it wasn’t. What the £#%&! is going on at Carrington? Either we’re not organising them properly or they’re not £#%&!ing listening. Either way isn’t good news for Ole and his team.

66 is 2 points more than Moyes got. 3 points less than the season Mou finished 6th.

I wouldn't be citing last season's league performance as a huge positive to be honest.

Originally Posted by atticusgrinch

66 is 2 points more than Moyes got. 3 points less than the season Mou finished 6th.

I wouldn't be citing last season's league performance as a huge positive to be honest.

Wow...

Originally Posted by atticusgrinch

66 is 2 points more than Moyes got. 3 points less than the season Mou finished 6th.

I wouldn't be citing last season's league performance as a huge positive to be honest.

In Moyes' defence; he just needed more time, £500m (which he'd be too scared to spend) and some managerial talent.

He will be gone by the end of November.

Originally Posted by Lok

In Moyes' defence; he just needed more time, £500m (which he'd be too scared to spend) and some managerial talent.

Working miracles at West Ham.

Originally Posted by utd99

Working miracles at West Ham.

In fairness they only started playing well once he was quarantined with the rona.

Originally Posted by believe

In fairness they only started playing well once he was quarantined with the rona.

Who knew all he was missing was Zoom?

Originally Posted by utd99

Who knew all he was missing was Zoom?

He had it on the iPads in the bunker. Trendsetter.

£#%&!ing christ, what's the point. Get him out for his own sake.

We're utter garbage under him

He can't coach the team (despite having one the best defences and front three in Europe last season)

He can't improve players despite Rashford having his best scoring season ever, Martial looking like a different player, The Scottish Player looking the best he's been, Shaw looking competent when he's been fit. Not to mention Greenwood and Williams being managed into the first team faultlessly.

Oh, and he lucked is way into third place, obviously.

His win percentage is better than LVG's (and Moyes considering he's been brought up now as well) and we've averaged more goals scored than any manager since Fergie.

Honestly, what's the £#%&!ing point. Bring the next mug for his turn. I give it 18 months tops before it's being said that there's an issue with the coaching.

Originally Posted by Patty_b

You are pal. Its mental. It was his first full season with an incredibly young squad. He exceeded the expectations of most of us, including you.

You can say that they don't know to coach until you go blue in the face, but when presented with the fact that our defensive record last season was one of the best in Europe, it doesn't make sense. How the £#%&! do you explain that if the manager and staff can't coach and the players are shite?

Something is seriously £#%&!ed this season nqat, but saying we've been utter garbage under Ole is plain £#%&!ing stupid.

This.

Originally Posted by Patty_b

£#%&!ing christ, what's the point. Get him out for his own sake.

We're utter garbage under him

He can't coach the team (despite having one the best defences and front three in Europe last season)

He can't improve players despite Rashford having his best scoring season ever, Martial looking like a different player, The Scottish Player looking the best he's been, Shaw looking competent when he's been fit. Not to mention Greenwood and Williams being managed into the first team faultlessly.

Oh, and he lucked is way into third place, obviously.

His win percentage is better than LVG's (and Moyes considering he's been brought up now as well) and we've averaged more goals scored than any manager since Fergie.

Honestly, what's the £#%&!ing point. Bring the next mug for his turn. I give it 18 months tops before it's being said that there's an issue with the coaching.

I know you’re not being entirely serious but it’s honestly where I am with it atm

New manager bounce every 2 years is kind of all we have to look forward to with these parasites running things.

Originally Posted by Patty_b

£#%&!ing christ, what's the point. Get him out for his own sake.

We're utter garbage under him

He can't coach the team (despite having one the best defences and front three in Europe last season)

He can't improve players despite Rashford having his best scoring season ever, Martial looking like a different player, The Scottish Player looking the best he's been, Shaw looking competent when he's been fit. Not to mention Greenwood and Williams being managed into the first team faultlessly.

Oh, and he lucked is way into third place, obviously.

His win percentage is better than LVG's (and Moyes considering he's been brought up now as well) and we've averaged more goals scored than any manager since Fergie.

Honestly, what's the £#%&!ing point. Bring the next mug for his turn. I give it 18 months tops before it's being said that there's an issue with the coaching.

You can make an argument for Martial but there's no way Rashford, The Scottish Player or Shaw have improved. Shaw is constantly getting caught out of position which is a reoccurring theme in our defence.

His win percent is better than 2 people who also failed massively? What an achievement.

Nobody sane would claim we had the best defence or front 3 last season. City condeded fewer and there were better defences abroad. 4 teams in our league alone scored more than us, 1 of them scoring 50% more goals in the league

We're shit. Most of that is because of the board but Ole has to take a lot of the blame.

As much as I like Ole, he should be made to bring in someone to sort out the defensive organisation because it's a shambles, the fullbacks are constantly caught up field or drawn inside, the centre halves keep going to the outside to badly cover the fullbacks or mark fresh air. I've not seen a worse team in the division at stopping a cross coming in.

What are Queiroz and Meulensteen doing these days?