Where would a defensive midfielder leave Carrick.

Who most of us agree has really come into his own this season..

What a pass yesterday

Would you disrupt Carrick's natural game by sticking a 'Makelele' type in there?

Or is it more important to have another attacking/linking midfielder who can run, do a decent job of winning the ball back higher up.

Had this discussion with a mate the other day. I don't see a defensive midfielder as a priority at all. Someone to complement Carrick/Cleverley would be ideal. Its a shame because Anderson seems to be that player but he can't be relied upon.

Originally Posted by silv

Who most of us agree has really come into his own this season..

What a pass yesterday

Would you disrupt Carrick's natural game by sticking a 'Makelele' type in there?

Or is it more important to have another attacking/linking midfielder who can run, do a decent job of winning the ball back higher up.

Had this discussion with a mate the other day. I don't see a defensive midfielder as a priority at all. Someone to complement Carrick/Cleverley would be ideal. Its a shame because Anderson seems to be that player but he can't be relied upon.

A Wilshere type player would be ideal, imo. Bit more bite to him than Clev, and probably similar going forward aswell..

Originally Posted by silv

Who most of us agree has really come into his own this season..

What a pass yesterday

Would you disrupt Carrick's natural game by sticking a 'Makelele' type in there?

Or is it more important to have another attacking/linking midfielder who can run, do a decent job of winning the ball back higher up.

Had this discussion with a mate the other day. I don't see a defensive midfielder as a priority at all. Someone to complement Carrick/Cleverley would be ideal. Its a shame because Anderson seems to be that player but he can't be relied upon.

No. It would release him from having to chase people around which isn't his strong suit tbf.

Every time i think of it - playing all these games w/o a specialist screening the defence...

I think Carrick is perfect in the role he's got imo.

Decent tackler, perfect interceptor, great passer.

What he needs is someone with a bit of energy/drive to help him out.

Originally Posted by atticusgrinch

No. It would release him from having to chase people around which isn't his strong suit tbf.

Every time i think of it - playing all these games w/o a specialist screening the defence...

Something we've never, ever done, really, with the exception of a season or so with an ailing Roy Keane..

Originally Posted by silv

I think Carrick is perfect in the role he's got imo.

Decent tackler, perfect interceptor, great passer.

What he needs is someone with a bit of energy/drive to help him out.

Silv's on it today

Originally Posted by dragflick

A Wilshere type player would be ideal, imo. Bit more bite to him than Clev, and probably similar going forward aswell..

Agreed. Not a specialist destroyer like makelele but somebody who can contribute in other areas too. They would need to have decent defensive capabilities though.

Pairing Carrick with a mobile, strong, defensively astute midfielder would obviously be a disaster. Just imagine if he had a reliable midfielder partner who wasn't a fat mess/piss weak shithouse. It'd be awful.

keeping the ball higher up the pitch is a priority as opposed to someone to merely act as a destroyer.

someone like wilshere would be idea.

obviously as would have dembele. i still can't believe we didn't go in for him.

Originally Posted by silv

I think Carrick is perfect in the role he's got imo.

Decent tackler, perfect interceptor, great passer.

What he needs is someone with a bit of energy/drive to help him out.

Anderson.

Originally Posted by The Watcher

Pairing Carrick with a mobile, strong, defensively astute midfielder would obviously be a disaster. Just imagine if he had a reliable midfielder partner who wasn't a fat mess/piss weak shithouse. It'd be awful.

why the sarcasm pal?

you're turning into the comic book guy ffs

Originally Posted by silv

why the sarcasm pal?

you're turning into the comic book guy ffs

would that make you lisa?

Originally Posted by dunk

Something we've never, ever done, really, with the exception of a season or so with an ailing Roy Keane..



Silv's on it today

Apart from Fletcher, Butt, Hargreaves, Keane, P Nev....


.. there's been hardly any that's played there..

Originally Posted by atticusgrinch

Apart from Fletcher, Butt, Hargreaves, Keane, P Nev....


.. there's been hardly any that's played there..

I think we have to just accept that dunk really doesn't know what he's on about these days.

buy a very good midfielder who can tackle, pass, run, break up play and weigh in with a couple of goals and it wouldn't matter what you do with carrick, does it?

Originally Posted by Sparky***

I think we have to just accept that dunk really doesn't know what he's on about these days.

Originally Posted by wonky no

buy a very good midfielder who can tackle, pass, run, break up play and weigh in with a couple of goals and it wouldn't matter what you do with carrick, does it?

carrick's very good and tidy. But much like how van persie has shown what an actual world class goal scorer looks like as opposed to wayne rooney....

put an actual world class centre mid alongside carrick and we'd see him for what he is. nice and neat.

in the kingdom of the blind.....

Originally Posted by atticusgrinch

Apart from Fletcher, Butt, Hargreaves, Keane, P Nev....


.. there's been hardly any that's played there..

They are all midfielders who can defend.

Hargreaves was basically a RB for us

P. Nev was a full back put into midfield during injury crises or when someone specific need kicking (Vieira). Butt and Fletcher, while being better at the defensive side of the game, both had license to get up the pitch. Only Keane parked himself in front of the back 4 permanently, and only when he was too £#%&!ed to get up and down, and that was during the 4-5-1 experiment..

The problem people mainly seem to be complaining about is our ability to keep the ball and pass it well. The last thing we want to enhance our ability to keep the ball is someone in the mould of Scott Parker or Claude Makelele who can get in the way, tactically foul and generally protect the back 4, but struggle to pass more than 10 yards. And replacing Carrick would completely go against what we need.

Originally Posted by Sparky***

carrick's very good and tidy. But much like how van persie has shown what an actual world class goal scorer looks like as opposed to wayne rooney....

put an actual world class centre mid alongside carrick and we'd see him for what he is. nice and neat.

in the kingdom of the blind.....

Oh £#%&!inell. :shakehead:

Now you've moved on to having a go at Carrick?? Log off and take your poodle for a walk pal, fresh air will do you good.

Originally Posted by dragflick

Oh £#%&!inell. :shakehead:

Now you've moved on to having a go at Carrick?? Log off and take your poodle for a walk pal, fresh air will do you good.

not having a go at him. he's a decent player.

not half as good as people would like to think but that's because he's surrounded by shit. hth.

that song comparing him to scholes. it would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

Originally Posted by dunk

They are all midfielders who can defend.

Hargreaves was basically a RB for us

P. Nev was a full back put into midfield during injury crises or when someone specific need kicking (Vieira). Butt and Fletcher, while being better at the defensive side of the game, both had license to get up the pitch. Only Keane parked himself in front of the back 4 permanently, and only when he was too £#%&!ed to get up and down, and that was during the 4-5-1 experiment..

The problem people mainly seem to be complaining about is our ability to keep the ball and pass it well. The last thing we want to enhance our ability to keep the ball is someone in the mould of Scott Parker or Claude Makelele who can get in the way, tactically foul and generally protect the back 4, but struggle to pass more than 10 yards. And replacing Carrick would completely go against what we need.

keane played on the left and upfront at his time at united.