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Unread 14-10-2023, 09:40 PM
ScarFace
 
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Ahh lovely. The one buy out, all rivals would have chosen to keep us £#%&!ing shit.

Debt stays. zero invested into the club and the glazers make a nice little pay day to keep them going.

If aids was a colour it would be red.
 
Unread 14-10-2023, 09:40 PM
Stickman
 
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The Glazers wanted a minority investment in order to maintain control because they've ran the club so shoddily they can't afford it and it can't afford them, it would appear they've got exactly what they wanted, and this is a good thing?
Blows my mind tbh.

Some moral dickings from City to come over the next few years.
 
Unread 14-10-2023, 09:40 PM
Sparky***
 
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Blows my mind tbh.

Some moral dickings from City to come over the next few years.
won't have to wait long for the next one.
 
Unread 14-10-2023, 09:41 PM
ScarFace
 
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Blows my mind tbh.

Some moral dickings from City to come over the next few years.
They can write their angry thoughts on the back of a tenner and post it to the owners.
 
Unread 14-10-2023, 09:41 PM
Ethers
 
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The Glazers wanted a minority investment in order to maintain control because they've ran the club so shoddily they can't afford it and it can't afford them, it would appear they've got exactly what they wanted, and this is a good thing?
You have no clue as to the details of any agreement between INEOS and the Glazers.

Do you genuinely think that they’re just going to invest that sum of money to let the Glazers carry on running the club as normal?
 
Unread 14-10-2023, 09:41 PM
dunk
 
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Wonder what the opposite of the effect the Newcastle takeover had is..?
 
Unread 14-10-2023, 09:42 PM
Dacter
 
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Still waiting to hear what positives you think will come from this deal.

I genuinely want it to work but can you see Jim funding a new team.and stadium with his 25%?
The “positives” primarily seem to be that it’s not the Arabs and it’ll annoy some faceless people on Twitter.

I’d be perfectly satisfied if Ratcliffe was taking control, if for no other reason than his surname isn’t £#%&!ing Glazer, but that’s not what’s going on here.

I also look forward to seeing how his billion quid “investment” will be used by the club to move forward…
 
Unread 14-10-2023, 09:44 PM
Stickman
 
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Joel and Avi must be popping serious bottles tonight.
 
Unread 14-10-2023, 09:48 PM
dunk
 
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You have no clue as to the details of any agreement between INEOS and the Glazers.

Do you genuinely think that they’re just going to invest that sum of money to let the Glazers carry on running the club as normal?
You think the Glazer's are going to allow their power and ownership of the club to be diminshed for a fraction of what a full sale would've brought them?

The money Ineos are paying for shares won't be coming anywhere near the club. You think Ineos will be chucking money in to improve the club's finances?

Get the impression he's been sold on the 'huge future value' and it just goes in the Ineos portfolio. They'll have a seat on the board etc. but no real influence.

I didn't want Qatar, don't trust Jim and absolutely didn't want the Glazers to get the minority investment that would enable them to continue.

All Billionaires are @#%&!s. Jim is a @#%&! that's a Chelsea fan. They're all in it for the profit and nothing more.
 
Unread 14-10-2023, 09:51 PM
Medlock
 
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Some oil Baron, imo, would take us further away than where we should be than a local investor looking to gradually take over the club. We don't need unlimited funds, or a tacky new stadium, we just need to have access to our own money without the gimps using the club as a piggy bank. We're nowhere near where we should be but if sheik had come in it could have been gone forever. So I'm delighted about that.
 
Unread 14-10-2023, 09:54 PM
Ethers
 
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So he’ll be in control of the sporting side of things. Makes sense now.

He’s just in it for profit though apparently

“Why would a minority stakeholder get sporting control?

Because that is the price Sir Jim Ratcliffe is demanding for his very generous — and completely out of character — offer to give the Glazers’ a premium price for what looks like a very mediocre slice of the pie.

Why anyone who owns only 25 per cent of the company would be given such enormous power. After all, Manchester United are still, just about, first and foremost a sports team. And controlling that bit would appear to be the most important bit.

The Glazers, however, are clearly streets ahead of the rest of us and see Manchester United for what it really is: a global advertising and retail brand in the leisure and entertainment industry. Who runs the football team is of minor concern when there are eyeballs to monetise in Malaysia. When that is your focus, letting INEOS hire and fire coaches is akin to letting Sir Jim wash the kits, too.

INEOS, of course, will see this very differently. They are all about performance, as their cycling, sailing and running teams constantly remind us. Striving for elite performance, distilling it, packaging it, is what INEOS does. Or certainly what it likes to say about what it does. It is what drove Ratcliffe to create his empire of cast-off and unpopular companies and it is what has inspired him to take a crack at reviving fading British brands like the Land Rover Defender, the Belstaff fashion label and now Manchester United.

So, he will happily start with sporting control, because that is what excites him and his mates. And he will let the Glazers continue to play at being masters of the sports industry universe for a bit longer. But he will eventually take that responsibility off them, too.”

From The Athletic.

Very promising. £#%&! Qatar.
 
Unread 14-10-2023, 10:03 PM
Sparky***
 
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https://x.com/UtdPlug/status/1713288208195215870?s=20

So he’ll be in control of the sporting side of things. Makes sense now.

He’s just in it for profit though apparently

“Why would a minority stakeholder get sporting control?

Because that is the price Sir Jim Ratcliffe is demanding for his very generous — and completely out of character — offer to give the Glazers’ a premium price for what looks like a very mediocre slice of the pie.

Why anyone who owns only 25 per cent of the company would be given such enormous power. After all, Manchester United are still, just about, first and foremost a sports team. And controlling that bit would appear to be the most important bit.

The Glazers, however, are clearly streets ahead of the rest of us and see Manchester United for what it really is: a global advertising and retail brand in the leisure and entertainment industry. Who runs the football team is of minor concern when there are eyeballs to monetise in Malaysia. When that is your focus, letting INEOS hire and fire coaches is akin to letting Sir Jim wash the kits, too.

INEOS, of course, will see this very differently. They are all about performance, as their cycling, sailing and running teams constantly remind us. Striving for elite performance, distilling it, packaging it, is what INEOS does. Or certainly what it likes to say about what it does. It is what drove Ratcliffe to create his empire of cast-off and unpopular companies and it is what has inspired him to take a crack at reviving fading British brands like the Land Rover Defender, the Belstaff fashion label and now Manchester United.

So, he will happily start with sporting control, because that is what excites him and his mates. And he will let the Glazers continue to play at being masters of the sports industry universe for a bit longer. But he will eventually take that responsibility off them, too.”

From The Athletic.

Very promising. £#%&! Qatar.
Well if we have to beat City in a boat race then we're all set fantastic.
 
Unread 14-10-2023, 10:05 PM
silv
 
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https://x.com/UtdPlug/status/1713288208195215870?s=20

So he’ll be in control of the sporting side of things. Makes sense now.

He’s just in it for profit though apparently

“Why would a minority stakeholder get sporting control?

Because that is the price Sir Jim Ratcliffe is demanding for his very generous — and completely out of character — offer to give the Glazers’ a premium price for what looks like a very mediocre slice of the pie.

Why anyone who owns only 25 per cent of the company would be given such enormous power. After all, Manchester United are still, just about, first and foremost a sports team. And controlling that bit would appear to be the most important bit.

The Glazers, however, are clearly streets ahead of the rest of us and see Manchester United for what it really is: a global advertising and retail brand in the leisure and entertainment industry. Who runs the football team is of minor concern when there are eyeballs to monetise in Malaysia. When that is your focus, letting INEOS hire and fire coaches is akin to letting Sir Jim wash the kits, too.

INEOS, of course, will see this very differently. They are all about performance, as their cycling, sailing and running teams constantly remind us. Striving for elite performance, distilling it, packaging it, is what INEOS does. Or certainly what it likes to say about what it does. It is what drove Ratcliffe to create his empire of cast-off and unpopular companies and it is what has inspired him to take a crack at reviving fading British brands like the Land Rover Defender, the Belstaff fashion label and now Manchester United.

So, he will happily start with sporting control, because that is what excites him and his mates. And he will let the Glazers continue to play at being masters of the sports industry universe for a bit longer. But he will eventually take that responsibility off them, too.”

From The Athletic.

Very promising. £#%&! Qatar.
sounds like utter %@#$&!s
 
Unread 14-10-2023, 10:06 PM
Ethers
 
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sounds like utter %@#$&!s
Oh. Thanks for that.
 
Unread 14-10-2023, 10:12 PM
dunk
 
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Very promising?

Based on the sporting decisions they’ve made at Nice?

Anyway… billionaire business man is in it for profit. He might have designs on getting to 100% ownership, but I imagine the Glazers have designs on owning the controlling share forever.

Can’t see any potential problems with a split between the business and sporting sides either..

Just more years of uncertainty and %@#$&!s ahead.
 
Unread 14-10-2023, 10:18 PM
ZiggyStardust
 
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Personally happy that we’re not being taken over by Qatar
Don’t like the idea of being the plaything of a nation state
Countries shouldn’t be able to own clubs

Obviously would want it to be a full sale and the Glazers to be fully removed from the club but sadly the bastards for whatever reason aren’t going for that

Not sure why some fans are blaming Ratcliffe for this as he’d buy the whole club if he could but it’s the Glazer’s deciding not to agree to a full sale

If it takes a few years to fully purge the Glazers then I’ll take it even if it’s not ideal

Let’s wait to see what the agreement is before we pass judgement on it
 
Unread 14-10-2023, 10:23 PM
Dacter
 
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Not sure why some fans are blaming Ratcliffe for this as he’d buy the whole club if he could but it’s the Glazer’s deciding not to agree to a full sale
Tbh, I’m personally just lashing out because I’m pissed off that the Glazers will still be involved.

If Ratcliffe is demanding sporting control from them then that’s something, but like anybody who has tried to make any changes has found, will the Glazers actually allow him to operate effectively? Ultimately, they’ll still have their filthy hands on the coffers.
 
Unread 14-10-2023, 10:24 PM
armchair
 
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He'll easily get that back selling us shit players. Might take ten years but at the end of that he has 25% of United for free.
 
Unread 14-10-2023, 10:31 PM
Dasilvatwins
 
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Very promising?

Based on the sporting decisions they’ve made at Nice?

Anyway… billionaire business man is in it for profit. He might have designs on getting to 100% ownership, but I imagine the Glazers have designs on owning the controlling share forever.

Can’t see any potential problems with a split between the business and sporting sides either..

Just more years of uncertainty and %@#$&!s ahead.
Didn’t even think about this. What happens when sporting decisions clash with business decisions?
 
Unread 14-10-2023, 10:32 PM
Sparky***
 
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Didn’t even think about this. What happens when sporting decisions clash with business decisions?
I wouldn't worry mate, it's all a load of horse shit.
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