Manchester United v Bournemouth - EPL 3pm 09/12/23 - Official Match Thread

Jesus, can’t believe we’re so low on 10-pass-build up sequences!

Originally Posted by Bunker Buster

Jesus....

Do you think it is acceptable that Brighton & Hove Albion have scored 29 more goals than us in 50 odd league games?

You were taken in by Roy Hodgson with a love of waffles. The system is dour; the football produced by the system is dire. He'll lead the club absolutely nowhere. Sooner Ratcliffe fixes the football structure now and he is out, the better.

Originally Posted by NedKelly

Jesus, can’t believe we’re so low on 10-pass-build up sequences!

top of the league for 9 pass sequences though

Originally Posted by VanHaaksbergen

Do you think it is acceptable that Brighton & Hove Albion have scored 29 more goals than us in 50 odd league games?

You were taken in by Roy Hodgson with a love of waffles. The system is dour; the football produced by the system is dire. He'll lead the club absolutely nowhere. Sooner Ratcliffe fixes the football structure now and he is out, the better.

Stooplewaffle*

Originally Posted by VanHaaksbergen

Do you think it is acceptable that Brighton & Hove Albion have scored 29 more goals than us in 50 odd league games?

You were taken in by Roy Hodgson with a love of waffles. The system is dour; the football produced by the system is dire. He'll lead the club absolutely nowhere. Sooner Ratcliffe fixes the football structure now and he is out, the better.

We struggle to score. It’s been a problem at the club way before ten hag. It’s an acute problem now because none of our forward players can score and we didn’t add new names last summer which is a massive mistake.

We don’t set up defensively though - we basically set up to attack but end up doing everything badly. nacho and rashford aren’t great at setting up for a lead striker and Antony is amongst the worst supplier I’ve ever seen. Bruno is the only one that can deliver on the reg and he’s having a terrible season. And our lead striker is young and not flying in any sense. Mctom is our lead goal scorer ffs.

What we need to do is set up defensively because if we can’t score (and I see nothing changing there) then we need to stop shipping them in.

We've scored 9 goals away in Europe FFS and dropped points in all of them....

Set up defensively is the biggest load of shite I've seen all season.....

And I watched some shite this year ....

Originally Posted by Hyman_Roth

We struggle to score. It’s been a problem at the club way before ten hag. It’s an acute problem now because none of our forward players can score and we didn’t add new names last summer which is a massive mistake.

We don’t set up defensively though - we basically set up to attack but end up doing everything badly. nacho and rashford aren’t great at setting up for a lead striker and Antony is amongst the worst supplier I’ve ever seen. Bruno is the only one that can deliver on the reg and he’s having a terrible season. And our lead striker is young and not flying in any sense. Mctom is our lead goal scorer ffs.

What we need to do is set up defensively because if we can’t score (and I see nothing changing there) then we need to stop shipping them in.

We have the most clean sheets in the league over 54 games. Despite peaking at 6th this season. Have already posted the detailed statistics. Conceded 2+ goals in 5 out of 40 games against three-quarters of the division. We are defensive. We hardly score, and we hardly concede .. except against top 5 opposition who absolutely tear us apart when we begin chasing the game after conceding first. Chasing the game is absolute kryptonite for Ten Hag (as shown on Saturday).

Take away the Ragnick/Ole split season (which was a farce in numerous ways) and we'd scored in the 60s or 70s in each of the four prior seasons with Ole/Mourinho. Not sensational (although even under Fergie we had numerous seasons in the 60s), but far cry from this. We're on for scoring in the 40s this season.

If he takes the team even deeper to protect the defence, and concedes even more possession to keep a defensive 10-men-behind-the-ball shape then we really will be analogous with a bottom-half side.

It's really bad football. He's played 10 different players across the front 3 positions and basically got no change out of it. It suggests its far beyond the players.

His system has been completely sussed. Don't see how this ends any other way for him. Very happy to be wrong and see him turn it around, but the sample size is too large at this point and the personnel too broad to suggest its an aberration.

Originally Posted by Hyman_Roth

Think Bruno missing might be a blessing. The guy is an absolute fanny when he wants to be. Not suggesting we will win - we’ll be easily beaten but I don’t think it will be a cricket score. Losing at Anfield is expected tbh - being @#%&!ted by Bournemouth at home after beating Chelsea isn’t.

You know something's deeply wrong when you hope your captain's out. Him, and Maguire before him tbh; what the £#%&! have we become? Did we ever wish Robson, Cantona or Keane wasn't in the line up?

Man United.

vanhaaksbergen's sample size is a constant stream.

all chutzpah and no kittel.

Point of order, waffles are Belgian.

Originally Posted by Zorg

Point of order, waffles are Belgian.

didn't even know that was their preferred pronoun, tbh.

Originally Posted by Zorg

Point of order, waffles are Belgian.

Thought he was Turkish

Originally Posted by red in cumbria

Again, owners who give a shit would have ensured DvB had been disposed of long ago.

Owners who cared about the football side would have put a director of football in place when they said they would post Mourinho and stepped away from footballing decisions.

Given that most goals come from a surprisingly few number of passes once possession is gained, why would we think more passes in the build up is a desirable stat?

Also, didn't ten Hag say something about want to be the top transition team? Do great transition teams do it very slowly then?

Or am I missing something?

Originally Posted by Bunker Buster

Thought he was Turkish

Originally Posted by Sheik JaBooty

Given that most goals come from a surprisingly few number of passes once possession is gained, why would we think more passes in the build up is a desirable stat?

Also, didn't ten Hag say something about want to be the top transition team? Do great transition teams do it very slowly then?

Or am I missing something?

This is incorrect. The top 6 teams for recording passes in the division are made up from 5 of the highest scoring sides in the division (the deviation is Villa).

Liverpool, City, Brighton and Arsenal all press the ball aggressively and move with speed on the counter. All score far, far more than us. All retain possession far, far more than us.

Ten Hag says a lot of things. His sides neither score goals nor work in possession.

Originally Posted by VanHaaksbergen

This is incorrect. The top 6 teams for recording passes in the division are made up from the 5 highest scoring sides in the division (the deviation is Villa).

Liverpool, City, Brighton and Arsenal all press the ball aggressively. All score far, far more than us. All retain possession far, far more than us.

Ten Hag says a lot of things. His sides neither score goals nor work in possession.

Passes in the whole game or passes in the move leading to a goal scored from open play? (Obviously set-pieces are an outlier)

Originally Posted by Bunker Buster

Thought he was Turkish

I thought he was sheikh jabooty.

Originally Posted by Bunker Buster

Thought he was Turkish

Wasn’t that Jason Statham?

Originally Posted by VanHaaksbergen

We have the most clean sheets in the league over 54 games. Despite peaking at 6th this season. Have already posted the detailed statistics. Conceded 2+ goals in 5 out of 40 games against three-quarters of the division. We are defensive. We hardly score, and we hardly concede .. except against top 5 opposition who absolutely tear us apart when we begin chasing the game after conceding first. Chasing the game is absolute kryptonite for Ten Hag (as shown on Saturday).

Take away the Ragnick/Ole split season (which was a farce in numerous ways) and we'd scored in the 60s or 70s in each of the four prior seasons with Ole/Mourinho. Not sensational (although even under Fergie we had numerous seasons in the 60s), but far cry from this. We're on for scoring in the 40s this season.

If he takes the team even deeper to protect the defence, and concedes even more possession to keep a defensive 10-men-behind-the-ball shape then we really will be analogous with a bottom-half side.

It's really bad football. He's played 10 different players across the front 3 positions and basically got no change out of it. It suggests its far beyond the players.

His system has been completely sussed. Don't see how this ends any other way for him. Very happy to be wrong and see him turn it around, but the sample size is too large at this point and the personnel too broad to suggest its an aberration.

spot on!