Sterling tattoo OUTRAGE

Originally Posted by utd99

Again, you seem to be edging the conversation towards this notion that gut feelings or personal intuition is enough in an instance where absolute proof is impossible. It’s not mate; categorically. I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t want to be hung, drawn and quartered on the basis of someone else’s best guess, would you?



How many new George Best’s have there been to date?

Where did I say I was referring specifically to him? .... in the post you've directly quoted.

And then Irk calls me a £#%&!ing idiot for something I never said.

Nice to see we have a fair and civil conversation going on.

Think that's a good point to head off to bed.

Enjoy, fellas.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

There's no consensus on Pogba. Plenty of people appreciate him, especially amongst those under 30 years old.

But again, he hasn't suffered anything like the targeting that Sterling has. I dunno why you're more interesting in dismissing the idea of racism than at least thinking it's good that these @#%&!s who have spent years vilifying him are finally going to back off.

Sterling and Cole have had it worse than anyone. It's hard to argue their offence sheet is as bad as anyone. Maybe just a coincidence.

And I dont know why you’re so desperate to ascribe his far from unusual treatment at the hands of the press to racism.

Ps. I dont like the ageist tone of your post.

Originally Posted by Hands of Scone

And I dont know why you’re so desperate to ascribe his far from unusual treatment at the hands of the press to racism.

Originally Posted by Hands of Scone

Is it? I’d suggets the danger is that people worry about perfectly normal behaviour being deemed racist on zero evidence and having to temper their behaviour and biews so as not to incurr the wrath of ideological idiots. Dont forget I’ve been called a ‘racist @#%&!’ on her numerous times for espousing run of the mill opinions on the merkts of an effective immigration policy.

Unless you believe thought crimes should be punished there is no harm done until someone is on the end of something tangibly racist. There is no difference between someone not doing a racist act because theyre not racist and a racist not doing a racist act but harbouring racist thoughts. The act is the problem.

Let's have a discussion about 'normal behaviour' being misinterpreted in another thread, not this one...

Originally Posted by Clownbones

Where did I say I was referring specifically to him? .... in the post you've directly quoted.

And then Irk calls me a £#%&!ing idiot for something I never said.

Nice to see we have a fair and civil conversation going on.

Think that's a good point to head off to bed.

Enjoy, fellas.

Ahh, the flounce

Are you a woman? careful now, sexist

Originally Posted by Hands of Scone

Ps. I dont like the ageist tone of your post.

It's the reality. I find Pogba pretty irritating, albeit far more so because he's a disappointment on the pitch. The kids love him though.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

Let's have a discussion about 'normal behaviour' being misinterpreted in another thread, not this one...

Are you deliberately misisng the point? You think that the media running sensationalist stories isn’t normal behaviour for the press?

You need to learn to argue in good faith.

Originally Posted by Hands of Scone

£#%&!ing idiots

Billy still asserting the article is racist.

But as he's now focussing on the Folden half of the equation, let's investigate the journo who penned it:

Pre Sterling but recent:

https://twitter.com/ianherbs/status/1068108426230841345

Yes that's right, he goes out of his way to disseminate a story concerning racism in football.

Here's one from the Oct.

https://twitter.com/ianherbs/status/1052822467813752832

Also from October:

https://twitter.com/ianherbs/status/1047025679097835522

This guy has form!

Originally Posted by Hands of Scone

Are you deliberately misisng the point? You think that the media running sensationalist stories isn’t normal behaviour for the press?

You need to learn to argue in good faith.

I can't recall a player being targeted in this way and with such aggression. People who don't read those papers had noticed an obsession with Sterling a long time ago, well before he brought it up.

Originally Posted by Hands of Scone

Ahh, the flounce

Are you a woman? careful now, sexist

Not flouncing mate.

It's 11.30pm and we're strangers having a conversation about racism that has descended into name-calling when all before it was reasonable .

Forgive me if I think that's a natural stopping point.

Happy to pick it up tomorrow, provided it remains civil, otherwise I'd rather just leave it tbh

Originally Posted by Cream

Bully still asserting the article is racist.

Oh and here's a recent, but pre Sterling debate, tweet by the other half of the equation:

https://twitter.com/ianherbs/status/1068108426230841345

Yes that's right, he goes out of his way to disseminate a story concerning racism in football.

Here's one from the Oct.

https://twitter.com/ianherbs/status/1052822467813752832

Also from October:

https://twitter.com/ianherbs/status/1047025679097835522

This guy has form!

Absolutely disgusting undercurrent in those articles. Dogwhistle stuff. The tone is appallimg.

Now I know they are specifically addressing black issues but he’s thinking racist thoughts while he writes them. it’s just a cover to disguise the very real venom of his other articles. Cant prove it can I. Theres no actual evidence. How could there be? You’ll just have to take my word for it. This is how subtle he is. He’s not going to wear a KKK outfit is he?

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

I can't recall a player being targeted in this way and with such aggression. People who don't read those papers had noticed an obsession with Sterling a long time ago, well before he brought it up.

I don’t think that continuing to highlight their obsession with Sterling is doing much for your institutional racism angle tbh. If I was Rashford I’d be a bit pissed off they mistook me for a white bloke.

Originally Posted by Cream

Billy still asserting the article is racist.

But as he's now focussing on the Folden half of the equation, let's investigate the journo who penned it:

Pre Sterling but recent:

https://twitter.com/ianherbs/status/1068108426230841345

Yes that's right, he goes out of his way to disseminate a story concerning racism in football.

Here's one from the Oct.

https://twitter.com/ianherbs/status/1052822467813752832

Also from October:

https://twitter.com/ianherbs/status/1047025679097835522

This guy has form!

I haven't said it's racist. You've misrepresented or misquoted more or less everything I've said

Originally Posted by Clownbones

I haven't said it's racist. You've misrepresented or misquoted more or less everything I've said

Go hug a tree Hanoi Jane.

Now where’s that toast thread?

Originally Posted by Clownbones

Not flouncing mate.

It's 11.30pm and we're strangers having a conversation about racism that has descended into name-calling when all before it was reasonable .

Forgive me if I think that's a natural stopping point.

Happy to pick it up tomorrow, provided it remains civil, otherwise I'd rather just leave it tbh

Ahh, the tone policing and calls for civility borne of the shame of being outed arguing that the author of an article is an institutionally racist member of the white supremecist media only to discover that he’s a person of colour qualifies as idiotic, pal.

Originally Posted by Hands of Scone

Ahh, the tone policing and calls for civility borne of the shame of being outed arguing that the author of an article is an institutionally racist member of the white supremecist media only to discover that he’s a person of colour qualifies as idiotic, pal.

I didn't say he was. I suggested the article could be racist. Or perceived as racist. Not that it was

Another misrepresention and I'm sure you know that.

What started as interesting has descended into misquoting, flounces, go hug a tree etc.

Not really my bag and it's late.

Originally Posted by utd99

I don’t think that continuing to highlight their obsession with Sterling is doing much for your institutional racism angle tbh. If I was Rashford I’d be a bit pissed off they mistook me for a white bloke.

What about the other players who are supporting Sterling's claim?

https://twitter.com/rioferdy5/status/1071746362222489600

Like Neville, Rio knows Sterling, Rooney and Beckham. Maybe we should listen to what they have to say rather than write them off, and therefore deny there is anything in it to warrant a conversation to be had. Sterling DID NOT say the papers are racist towards him. He said their coverage "fuels racism" - interpret that as you will but it's clear in his mind, and many other minds what he means. A lot of what has been said about him by the Sun and the Daily Mail is deranged at the very least. It's one thing if he's courting the media attention but he clearly isn't.

This is a decent read

https://twitter.com/PaulMcCarthy66/status/1071834431864889351

Originally Posted by Clownbones

I didn't say he was. I suggested the article could be racist. Or perceived as racist. Not that it was

Another misrepresention and I'm sure you know that.

What started as interesting has descended into misquoting, flounces, go hug a tree etc.

Not really my bag and it's late.

So, we’ve arrived at “Could be” and “might be perceived” as racist but not necessarily racist.

We’re getting there by baby steps I suppose.

Originally Posted by Clownbones

I didn't say he was. I suggested the article could be racist. Or perceived as racist. Not that it was

Another misrepresention and I'm sure you know that.

What started as interesting has descended into misquoting, flounces, go hug a tree etc.

Not really my bag and it's late.

It was a joke mate. Sheesh.

Originally Posted by Clownbones

I haven't said it's racist. You've misrepresented or misquoted more or less everything I've said

Good. Now imagine how those two thoroughly decent journalists must feel.

These are some serious accusations floating around.

Originally Posted by Hands of Scone

So, we’ve arrived at “Could be” and “might be perceived” as racist but not necessarily racist.

We’re getting there by baby steps I suppose.

No, that's what I've said all along

Wish I'd made that clearer at 9pm tbh

Right, definitely going now.

It's been real.

Originally Posted by utd99

It was a joke mate. Sheesh.