Originally Posted by Sharders
Up-skill, do better at school, get a proper degree, better qualifications, create businesses, apply for other jobs, re-train, work hard. I think that's how it works.
And when the whole country are brain boxes with degrees coming out of our ears and are all CEOs of multinational conglomerates, who the f*** is going to clean the trains
Originally Posted by jem
ok, you silly dinosaur... I am not going to apologise for not only wanting the world to be a better place, but also having ideas that would make it so.
in answer to your question, in the absence of any binding independent arbitration, my view on the strike is (i) the disruption can't be justified; (ii) taking a view on whether the strike is reasonable or not would necessitate me taking a much closer look at all of the issues involved, rather than listening to snarky comments from mick lynch and grant shapps. I don't trust either of them. steve montgomery seems reasonable, though. he might seem less so, the more I get to know him.
my view is that, whilst there might be a good case for increasing wages, there seems a very good case for changing working practices as well (and I have listened to a fair amount of commentary on that). if there aren't going to be any compulsory redundancies, an agreement should be forthcoming.
but the point is that most people aren't considering the case on its merits. it's predictable that certain people (one of whom could pass for you in the right light) just support the unions, no matter what. regime change is not a legitimate reason for a strike. we have elections for that.
The trouble with all your ideas is they a predicated on not starting here. They all need a massive amount of pre-existing common sense and general bonhomie between people of all types that simply is not there. You need to start offering solutions that can be implemented from where we are, not where you would like to be, a place where many of the problems we discuss wouldn't even occur.
There is nothing wrong with modernisation, but it has to be introduced in a way that is sympathetic to the people it most affects, those whose jobs will be eliminated. For a start they could offer no compulsory redundancies. There are apparently plenty of applications for voluntary redundancy and it is quite an old workforce from what I hear. With the number being around 2,000, the rail companies could easily afford to carry an extra few hundred jobs than are strictly necessary. It's always good to have a bit of spare capacity, especially when introducing new technology which WILL go wrong at some point, and when it does you will need bodies on platforms to sort it out.
You're wrong about the elections again, as I pointed out yesterday. We, the general public, have no means to instigate a general election, it is totally within the control of the PM. If enough people want a GE that them withdrawing their labour would force that to happen, then it should happen.