Best player and manager

Jack Charlton

gazza

Alex Mother£#%&!er.

Originally Posted by borsuk

gazza

john barnes

i've got a sneaking suspicion some of you are taking the piss

Cesare Maldini

Bebe

Originally Posted by thenorthwillriseagain

was talking with a mate earlier about who is the best ever player and manager
before anyone says maradona and ferie the bullshit worm i obviously mean who excels at both

Cruyff as he has achieved everything in both fields so i'll open with him

Cruyff didn't quite reach the heights as manager that he did as a player, tbh.

barry fry

Howard Kendall did OK

Guardiola followed by Johan Cruyff & Franz Beckenbauer.

Originally Posted by Sparky***

carlo ancelotti

Originally Posted by Coracao

Capello > Ancelotti.

Trap > both?

Double European Cup winning midfielder with Milan, for whom he made over 350 appearances. Played for Italy at the World Cup.

Then went on to do alright as a manager.

Juventus

Italian League (6): 1976–77, 1977–78, 1980–81, 1981–82, 1983–84, 1985–86
Italian Cup (2): 1978–79, 1982–83
European Cup (1): 1984–85
UEFA Cup Winners' Cup (1): 1984
UEFA Cup (2): 1977, 1993
European Super Cup (1): 1984
Intercontinental Cup (1): 1985

Internazionale

Italian League (1): 1988–89
Supercoppa Italiana: 1989
UEFA Cup (1): 1991

Bayern Munich

German League (1): 1996–97
German Cup (1): 1997–98
German League Cup (1): 1996–97

Benfica

Portuguese League (1): 2004–05

Red Bull Salzburg

Austrian League (1): 2006–07

mancini

Originally Posted by red in cumbria

Cruyff didn't quite reach the heights as manager that he did as a player, tbh.

Stick to the politics, pal.

Cruyff was and remains the absolute %@#$&!s. The best player in the best club side the world's ever seen, then popped over to Barcelona and won them their first title in 18 years, smashing Real Madrid 0-5 in the process.

Became manager of Ajax in '85 and completely revamped the youth set-up and their playing style. This produced the side that briefly dominated European club football in the mid 90's before being decimated by the Bosman ruling. Then he went to Barcelona and did the same thing, while winning their first European Cup and four successive League titles.

Would've managed the Dutch national side at the 1990 World Cup too, if wasn't for the £#%&!wits running the KNVB.

Der Kaiser is up there, nqat.

yep Cruyff by a mile.

What about best manager that was never a professional player?

Mourinho.
Sacchi.

Originally Posted by red in cumbria

Cruyff didn't quite reach the heights as manager that he did as a player, tbh.

He's acknowledged in Barcelona as being almost entirely responsible for the team they have now, owing to the youth system and playing philosophy he set up whilst in charge there.

Practically invented total football and how many footballers have a specific technique named after them?

Wheres serenity?This is right up his street.