Arsenal - are they actually evolving into a better side without Henry?

Just a thought that is starting to germinate in my head these days.

Whilst I don't doubt his supreme talent and his contribution to Arsenal's recent history...I'm starting to see him more and more as the apex of a past side that boasted Vieira,Pires,ljungberg in their prime.

Increasingly he looks to me to inhibit some of this younger Arsenal side and that they struggle to assert themselves within in the immense shadow he casts both on and off the pitch.

You think..or am I way off the mark?

Any group of people, in any walk of life, are better off without people like Henry. nft

Good point.

They train with him all the time though, so you could say it's his inspiration that gives them the confidence to play.

Similar thing to Cantona at United maybe. Carried us in 96, and held us back in 97. If keane hadn't done his knee we'd have won the lot in 98. We were easily the best team in the first half of that season.

Originally Posted by dodger

Any group of people, in any walk of life, are better off without people like Henry. nft

so who is the bird in your avatar?

Originally Posted by burnallbooks

so who is the bird in your avatar?

pm him that question.

Originally Posted by Lazarus

pm him that question.

why?

What a load of shite.


Henry is an amazing player and Arsenal are a poorer team without him.

Originally Posted by Tumescent Throb

Good point.

They train with him all the time though, so you could say it's his inspiration that gives them the confidence to play.

Similar thing to Cantona at United maybe. Carried us in 96, and held us back in 97. If keane hadn't done his knee we'd have won the lot in 98. We were easily the best team in the first half of that season.

Were we not in the first half of 94/95?

Originally Posted by Skag Trendy

What a load of shite.


Henry is an amazing player and Arsenal are a poorer team without him.

Ok,cheers for clearing that up.

Originally Posted by Lazarus

Ok,cheers for clearing that up.

Thats ok,next time read the facts before posting such shite.

Glad i could be of service to you.

Funny, I was having this exact same conversation with a friend last night.

I don't think they're a better side when he doesn't play, but I think they've made the step from being somewhat of a one-man team into a side more than capable of covering for his absence. He's not nearly as crucial as he used to be.

Originally Posted by Argentina

Were we not in the first half of 94/95?

As it goes, no I don't think we were. What do you think?

Not sure what you're getting at either actually

Originally Posted by Lazarus

Arsenal - are they actually evolving into a better side without Henry?

And I expect Wenger had already planned for this, given that Henry was expected to leave last summer.


The only team whose all-round play has, at its best, been anywhere near as good as ours at its best this season. And they played some very good stuff when Henry was out earlier on.

Originally Posted by Skag Trendy

Thats ok,next time read the facts before posting such shite.

Glad i could be of service to you.

It was funny to see other players telling him to shut the £#%&! up when he was baiting Kirkland on Sunday after the goal. In my opinion he's becoming a bit of a showpony, with a huge slapped-arse issue. If they win nothing again this year I expect he'll be off. He should have gone to Barca or Real last season if he'd had any sense about him. I doubt they'd pay so much for him now though.

Originally Posted by Tumescent Throb

As it goes, no I don't think we were. What do you think?

Not sure what you're getting at either actually

Neither do I

Seriously though I do think we were. Hammered Blackburn 4-2 at their place, whooped ciddeh 5-0, playing awesome stuff.
Both of the first 9 years of the Premier League when United didnt win the league, a major player was missing. Cantona 95, Keane 98 and then again with Ferdinand in 04, [SIZE="1"]but I'd hate to call him a major player

Originally Posted by Tumescent Throb

Good point.

They train with him all the time though, so you could say it's his inspiration that gives them the confidence to play.

Similar thing to Cantona at United maybe. Carried us in 96, and held us back in 97. If keane hadn't done his knee we'd have won the lot in 98. We were easily the best team in the first half of that season.

I'd say Simialar to United's situation with RVN, but of course Henry's maybe a little more mobile than Horseface.

Originally Posted by Argentina

Neither do I

Seriously though I do think we were. Hammered Blackburn 4-2 at their place, whooped ciddeh 5-0, playing awesome stuff.
Both of the first 9 years of the Premier League when United didnt win the league, a major player was missing. Cantona 95, Keane 98 and then again with Ferdinand in 04, [SIZE="1"]but I'd hate to call him a major player

The 4-2 at Blackburn was a bit dodgy really. Remember le Saux stamping on Keane's head in that game think it was as well the @#%&!.

Needed fresh blood that season and got - David May.

Ince was immense - against Goteburg! Gillespie v newcastle. Giggs shaking off Harford for Eric's brilliant header v Wimbledon. The 5-0 derby. Beat the scousers as well. can't remember much else right now. Thought we were pretty average to be fair. Better than the rest maybe, but still average.

Bit harsh on Ince that btw he was quality in a lot of the games!

ive been thinking this aswell .. that adebayour is gonna be some £#%&!ing player

Well like I said..it's an idea. You should read what I said about Henry..his talent is not being debated.

However,there is no doubt that he is the big swinging dick at the Emirates these days and expects,demands even,the ball on a silver platter and all attacking roads lead to him.

These days,to me,his overall team play has diminished slightly and he is that tiny bit less selfless.

Yesterday I thought Arsenal looked the epitome of an unpredictable,fluid,interchanging and pacy attack.