allegri targetting united job

Originally Posted by NedKelly

It does a bit.

It changes none of the reasons for him not being the solution.

Originally Posted by browser

But isn't there a chance that Ole's simply not a very good manager? That's one thing you couldn't level at Allegri. I personally feel that we should stick with Ole but unfortunately his lack of pedigree is hardly re-assuring regarding a long term rebuild.

Then be assured by what’s happened on his watch, that as an outsider you can be 100% sure is down to him. The players who have come in and left. Ole knows what’s required and he’s shown he can do it. His problem is we’re weak in few areas in the short term, and that’s because the club didn’t get him the midfielders he wanted. That’s down to the issues at the club and not the manager.

Pedigree ffs. What pedigree did busby have? People on the inside know whether he has what it takes to be a good manager or not, and they’re aware of what’s happening behind the scenes to better apportion blame.

Being a good manager is about managing people. Communication. Allegri may be a good manager in Italy, but there’s no evidence he’ll be a good manager in England or for the situation at united. Same with capello. Great in his own language. Shite in English. Same with fergie. I doubt he’d have lasted 12 months at any Spanish or Italian club.

Bring Massimo home to Stretford.

ole-massimiliano dream team.

Originally Posted by browser

But isn't there a chance that Ole's simply not a very good manager? That's one thing you couldn't level at Allegri. I personally feel that we should stick with Ole but unfortunately his lack of pedigree is hardly re-assuring regarding a long term rebuild.

The evidence is increasingly suggesting he is not a great manager, no.

Against that, however, he seems to have the only correct strategy that will get us out of our present malaise.

Would a "big name" picked out of a hat by FOOTBALL GENIUS Woodward?

Originally Posted by red in cumbria

The evidence is increasingly suggesting he is not a great manager, no.

Against that, however, he seems to have the only correct strategy that will get us out of our present malaise.

Would a "big name" picked out of a hat by FOOTBALL GENIUS Woodward?

What strategy is that?

Please don’t say selling deadwood etc...

Because that’s great and all, but pretty pointless if we’re not going to replace them. And the only ‘deadwood’ he sold was Darmian tbf

Smalling and Sanchez are on loan and would come in handy with our current injury crisis, Lukaku would probably still be first choice and score more than our current first team striker.

It’s ridiculous how we think selling a load of senior players while not replacing them, making us weaker in the process and more than likely finishing well below where we should is going to help us in this rebuild’.

Imo this isn’t Ole’s strategy or rebuild, it’s the owners and Woodward’s. Ole is just the fall guy because of who he is (club legend) and they’d hoped it would buy them time to complete this rebuild/cash saving exercise.

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

It changes none of the reasons for him not being the solution.



Then be assured by what’s happened on his watch, that as an outsider you can be 100% sure is down to him. The players who have come in and left. Ole knows what’s required and he’s shown he can do it. His problem is we’re weak in few areas in the short term, and that’s because the club didn’t get him the midfielders he wanted. That’s down to the issues at the club and not the manager.

Pedigree ffs. What pedigree did busby have? People on the inside know whether he has what it takes to be a good manager or not, and they’re aware of what’s happening behind the scenes to better apportion blame.

Being a good manager is about managing people. Communication. Allegri may be a good manager in Italy, but there’s no evidence he’ll be a good manager in England or for the situation at united. Same with capello. Great in his own language. Shite in English. Same with fergie. I doubt he’d have lasted 12 months at any Spanish or Italian club.

You trust the people at the club to actually understand what’s happening?

The same people that have run us into the ground over the last so many years are now going to know whether the manager has what it takes...

You’re giving this board etc way to much credit.

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

Well, that changes everything

In changes everything in relation to your previous arguements that he only did it for and in a one team league. What about his work at Sassuolo or Cagliari, does that count?

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

Being a good manager is about managing people. Communication. Allegri may be a good manager in Italy, but there’s no evidence he’ll be a good manager in England or for the situation at united. Same with capello. Great in his own language. Shite in English. Same with fergie. I doubt he’d have lasted 12 months at any Spanish or Italian club.

The same Capello that won the league in Spain? He failed with England because in addition to England being shit he was past his best, no different to LVG with us. Conte managed to win the league in Italy and translate that to success in England. Ancelloti wasn't even that much of a success in Italy and won the double here at the first time of asking. What would be considered evidence that someone could be successful here?

Originally Posted by Chris Quayd

What would be considered evidence that someone could be successful here?

There isn’t any. However, there is evidence a short term approach just appointing the biggest name available isn’t the solution to our issues. If we’re going to be successful under the glazers we need a long term vision, and to hire managers who fit that vision so we’re not always going back to square 1 and having a squad cobbled together by numerous managers with different ideas looking for a short term fix.

Stage 1 of that vision is to fix the dynamics within the dressing room. We know ole’s ideas around that are congruent with what we want. We also know by his summer activity that he understands what needs to be done to fix it, and we also know he can bring in the players needed. So for me, he’s done enough to continue phase one over more than one window. What we don’t know is whether he is the long term solution, but we can judge that as time progresses whilst phase one is being implemented. Until the dressing room is fixed, we can’t really judge any manager properly in the short run.

Stage two is either ole gradually proves he is capable as performances and results improve as phase 1 progresses, or we hire another manager who fits the vision and builds on what ole has done, from a starting point of a better dressing room of quality players with a good attitude and commitment to the club.

Or we can have no vision for the team and just keep going back to square one every year or two with whatever big name manager is available regardless of their suitability or style, and never fix the problems unless we get hugely lucky.

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

There isn’t any.

Probably true tbf

Originally Posted by AK14

You trust the people at the club to actually understand what’s happening?

The same people that have run us into the ground over the last so many years are now going to know whether the manager has what it takes...

You’re giving this board etc way to much credit.

Trust and credit doesn’t come it to it. The fact is they’re in a far better position than us to know these things, as we don’t have the info to hand.

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

There isn’t any. However, there is evidence a short term approach just appointing the biggest name available isn’t the solution to our issues. If we’re going to be successful under the glazers we need a long term vision, and to hire managers who fit that vision so we’re not always going back to square 1 and having a squad cobbled together by numerous managers with different ideas looking for a short term fix.

Stage 1 of that vision is to fix the dynamics within the dressing room. We know ole’s ideas around that are congruent with what we want. We also know by his summer activity that he understands what needs to be done to fix it, and we also know he can bring in the players needed. So for me, he’s done enough to continue phase one over more than one window. What we don’t know is whether he is the long term solution, but we can judge that as time progresses whilst phase one is being implemented. Until the dressing room is fixed, we can’t really judge any manager properly in the short run.

Stage two is either ole gradually proves he is capable as performances and results improve as phase 1 progresses, or we hire another manager who fits the vision and builds on what ole has done, from a starting point of a better dressing room of quality players with a good attitude and commitment to the club.

Or we can have no vision for the team and just keep going back to square one every year or two with whatever big name manager is available regardless of their suitability or style, and never fix the problems unless we get hugely lucky.

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

There isn’t any. However, there is evidence a short term approach just appointing the biggest name available isn’t the solution to our issues. If we’re going to be successful under the glazers we need a long term vision, and to hire managers who fit that vision so we’re not always going back to square 1 and having a squad cobbled together by numerous managers with different ideas looking for a short term fix.

Stage 1 of that vision is to fix the dynamics within the dressing room. We know ole’s ideas around that are congruent with what we want. We also know by his summer activity that he understands what needs to be done to fix it, and we also know he can bring in the players needed. So for me, he’s done enough to continue phase one over more than one window. What we don’t know is whether he is the long term solution, but we can judge that as time progresses whilst phase one is being implemented. Until the dressing room is fixed, we can’t really judge any manager properly in the short run.

Stage two is either ole gradually proves he is capable as performances and results improve as phase 1 progresses, or we hire another manager who fits the vision and builds on what ole has done, from a starting point of a better dressing room of quality players with a good attitude and commitment to the club.

Or we can have no vision for the team and just keep going back to square one every year or two with whatever big name manager is available regardless of their suitability or style, and never fix the problems unless we get hugely lucky.

Great post.

Let's not forget the fact that several italian managers have won the PL: Ancelotti, Mancini, Ranieri, Conte; and another one, Di Matteo, won a UCL with a PL club.

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

Trust and credit doesn’t come it to it. The fact is they’re in a far better position than us to know these things, as we don’t have the info to hand.

Fact is they’re an absolute mess and have proven it over many years of mismanagement of the club. I wouldn’t trust them to build an ikea flat pack let alone trusting the in the rebuilding of a football club.

Ole could be the man, but because of the board screwing him over this summer leaving us short handed for the season I don’t think we’ll find out.

Originally Posted by AK14

Fact is they’re an absolute mess and have proven it over many years of mismanagement of the club. I wouldn’t trust them to build an ikea flat pack let alone trusting the in the rebuilding of a football club.

Ole could be the man, but because of the board screwing him over this summer leaving us short handed for the season I don’t think we’ll find out.

Who knows if the last bit is even true and it wasn't his choice to not sign any other players? Surely with it all going wrong right now he would have at least hinted if that were the case

allegri managed balotelli. maybe he can get pogba to do some work.

Originally Posted by Ranier Wolfcastle

Who knows if the last bit is even true and it wasn't his choice to not sign any other players? Surely with it all going wrong right now he would have at least hinted if that were the case

He said he wanted a Lukaku replacement a while ago tbf.

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

What part did he play in building that team? It’s a completely different proposition at united, with a club structured very differently in a country, language, culture and style of football that’s foreign to him. You’re just demonstrating the kind of thinking that’s got us into this mess. Regardless of what you think of Ole, he’s a much better fit for our situation.

Course he is.

Originally Posted by Stickman

Course he is.

Glad you agree.

Originally Posted by AK14

Fact is they’re an absolute mess and have proven it over many years of mismanagement of the club. I wouldn’t trust them to build an ikea flat pack let alone trusting the in the rebuilding of a football club.

Ole could be the man, but because of the board screwing him over this summer leaving us short handed for the season I don’t think we’ll find out.

A former manager of Molde and Cardiff and one who has taken us to 12th in the league is not the one...

Originally Posted by windy waffles

A former manager of Molde and Cardiff and one who has taken us to 12th in the league is not the one...

What league position should Manchester United be sat in now with our current squad and injury list....