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Unread 12-06-2019, 11:30 AM
messhead
 
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Yep.

Disliked Mou increasingly from Seville onwards but I think I was perhaps too harsh given the benefit of hindsight. On Van Gaal too. Our shit for brains hierarchy have hugely stymied all our managers but unfortunately, each manager has dropped massive bollocks too and its clouded the issue. Woodward is fucking beyond useless.

I mean look at Pogba - fell out with Mou and I and many others took P Doubles side. It turns out they're both grade a cunts.

Quelle surprise but it still feels like a kick in the cunt.


I dislike the entire club at the moment - there's only Ole I have anytime for and he's on a hiding to nothing.


Fuck
Ferguson clouded our judgement; we were so used to being at the top, even in the latter years with a declining squad, that we assumed we could stay there with relative ease and efficiency. It's testament to just how special Fergie was that he was winning titles with a team containing a big chunk of average. Anyway, Moyes was a total mistake but LVG should have either been afforded that final season or his replacement should have shared a similar philosophy and approach. Or we should have gone from Moyes straight to Mourinho, which probably would have worked out a lot better for us but wasn't he already back at Chelsea by then?

There's a lot of could haves and should haves, but in hindsight bringing Pogba back sums up just how things have changed at United. He's had a few great games, a dozen or so decent ones and countless where he's been plain anonymous or shite, and regardless of the state of the rest of the team, his performances are on him. It's one thing not having options to pass to, but another thing altogether to keep making the same stupid mistakes game in game out (showboating 20 yards from our own goal ffs). Us bringing Pogba back signalled that we have different standards now to when Fergie was here, and I'd sell the cunt within the hour if I could.
 
Unread 12-06-2019, 05:39 PM
red in cumbria
 
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Nah, not Saffers.
Where is he anyway?
Got banned, though it was a sort of suicide by cop really.
 
Unread 12-06-2019, 08:52 PM
jem
 
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we were so used to being at the top, even in the latter years with a declining squad, that we assumed we could stay there with relative ease and efficiency.
it's not this. staying top is a struggle. I'd be happy if we looked like we wanted to be top. if we had a plan. a style. were progressing towards something definable. it's not about not being top. it's about being a fucking clueless shambles.
 
Unread 12-06-2019, 09:58 PM
Sparky***
 
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Ferguson clouded our judgement; we were so used to being at the top, even in the latter years with a declining squad, that we assumed we could stay there with relative ease and efficiency. It's testament to just how special Fergie was that he was winning titles with a team containing a big chunk of average. Anyway, Moyes was a total mistake but LVG should have either been afforded that final season or his replacement should have shared a similar philosophy and approach. Or we should have gone from Moyes straight to Mourinho, which probably would have worked out a lot better for us but wasn't he already back at Chelsea by then?

There's a lot of could haves and should haves, but in hindsight bringing Pogba back sums up just how things have changed at United. He's had a few great games, a dozen or so decent ones and countless where he's been plain anonymous or shite, and regardless of the state of the rest of the team, his performances are on him. It's one thing not having options to pass to, but another thing altogether to keep making the same stupid mistakes game in game out (showboating 20 yards from our own goal ffs). Us bringing Pogba back signalled that we have different standards now to when Fergie was here, and I'd sell the cunt within the hour if I could.
2013 was the pivotal point where we had our "sliding doors" moment.

In a summer where Guardiola, Ancelotti and Mourinho were all changing jobs, we ended up with Moyes and it's set us back a decade.

The rot was starting to creep in post 2009....but we'd papered over the cracks...but by the time Moyes came in the rot was unmanageable.
 
Unread 17-06-2019, 08:57 PM
Seamus
 
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Please tell me that they are not goin g to offer Harry square head 350k a week?
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