United vs Cardiff: Official Match Thread 3pm 12-05-2019

Originally Posted by Lok

No. But they're also not creating an environment for players to flourish in.

Solskjaer looks clueless because he is clueless. Kompany after the match was talking about Guardiola and how even when they win he's telling them what they're doing wrong, he's calling people out and there's nowhere to hide. We've appointed someone who's going around calling the players by their nicknames and saying what good players they are after a truly £#%&!ing abysmal season.

I can't remember ever dreading a season like I am next season.

To be fair we had a manager a few years ago who would do that. He was informed by the "senior players" at the club that the lads didn't appreciate being critiqued in front of their teammates. He had to resort to sending his analysis to players individually via email. Many did not even read the analysis, including the "senior players" therefore advising that they had no interest in being coached.

We decided that manager was holding us back. After all, the only thing these lads needed was freedom

Originally Posted by Lok

What ideas does Ole have that are right? It's hard to see any ideas, let alone right ones.

He talks about youth but doesn't play them. He's backed players who must be laughing at him behind his back. He has changed the formation several times. He changes personnel randomly.

I would genuinely like to see a glimmer of hope but it's not there. And Woodward will destroy him.

We just have to hope that Ole deliberately decided not to change much, for whatever reason, until he could get some new players and work on overhauling everything this summer. But it's a huge concern that there's little evidence of any imprint so far.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

To be fair we had a manager a few years ago who would do that. He was informed by the "senior players" at the club that the lads didn't appreciate being critiqued in front of their teammates. He had to resort to sending his analysis to players individually via email. Many did not even read the analysis, including the "senior players" therefore advising that they had no interest in being coached.

We decided that manager was holding us back. After all, the only thing these lads needed was freedom



We just have to hope that Ole deliberately decided not to change much, for whatever reason, until he could get some new players and work on overhauling everything this summer. But it's a huge concern that there's little evidence of any imprint so far.

Mou did it too, but apparently it was the only time it's ever been done in history and was disgraceful.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

To be fair we had a manager a few years ago who would do that. He was informed by the "senior players" at the club that the lads didn't appreciate being critiqued in front of their teammates. He had to resort to sending his analysis to players individually via email. Many did not even read the analysis, including the "senior players" therefore advising that they had no interest in being coached.

We decided that manager was holding us back. After all, the only thing these lads needed was freedom

I know it’s dragged on a bit but it was actually only a few months back.

Originally Posted by Switching Off

Mou did it too, but apparently it was the only time it's ever been done in history and was disgraceful.

Big Mou fan and I wanted it to work but he did it very differently. He was publicly calling players out. Not sure that's healthy.

Defend your players to the death in public, berate them in private.

Perhaps they were so bad he was left with little other options.

Originally Posted by andyroo

Even the Swiss are angrier than us. A new low.

years of toblerones scraping off the skin inside the top of your mouth will do that to a man.

Originally Posted by Switching Off

Mou did it too, but apparently it was the only time it's ever been done in history and was disgraceful.

Can imagine the "senior players" going to Mou and asking for the emails routine. Suspect he'd have spat at them.

Originally Posted by Denis Irwell

I know it’s dragged on a bit but it was actually only a few months back.

At least with Mou people had started to realise that the dressing room culture was a little questionable in its fortitude. The hardest thing to hear post the Big Man's dismissal was that supposed captains went to him with a straight face and told him some players didn't want to be coached. And these were the blokes supposed to be leading us. One of them on the staff now ffs.

Originally Posted by Lok

Big Mou fan and I wanted it to work but he did it very differently. He was publicly calling players out. Not sure that's healthy.

Defend your players to the death in public, berate them in private.

Yet ole gets pelters from some on here for doing just that.

Perhaps they were so bad he was left with little other options.

I think they got so bad because woodward blocked him from getting rid of who he wanted. Wanted rid of shaw, martial and Pogba, amongst others. When you identify bad influences or bad attitudes and you’re not allowed to remove them from the club, where does a manager go from there?

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

At least with Mou people had started to realise that the dressing room culture was a little questionable in its fortitude. The hardest thing to hear post the Big Man's dismissal was that supposed captains went to him with a straight face and told him some players didn't want to be coached. And these were the blokes supposed to be leading us. One of them on the staff now ffs.

More a case van gaal’s man management was £#%&!.

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

More a case van gaal’s man management was £#%&!.

Dunno, but it doesn't matter. Zlatan hated Pep but admits he's a great coach. Eto'o the same. Ribery didn't like Van Gaal but admitted he was a great coach. If you think not connecting with the manager is a valid excuse for refusing to be coached you're all over the shop.

Wesley Sneijder didn't get along with Van Gaal well. He adored Mourinho. He says Van Gaal is the best coach he's worked with. Players who are interested in developing will respect good coaching more than how often the manager gives them a hug.

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

More a case van gaal’s man management was £#%&!.

Don’t know about man management but doesn’t sound like the best overall management

“I’ve got some feedback for you from today’s game”
“Stick it in an email eh?”
“Okay.”

Originally Posted by shenwen

Don’t know about man management but doesn’t sound like the best overall management

“I’ve got some feedback for you from today’s game”
“Stick it in an email eh?”
“Okay.”

Precisely the point. He was advised by club captains that the players didn’t appreciate it being done in public. It never seemed to dawn on people how concerning that is. And we wonder why we are left with a squad of total softarses.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

Can imagine the "senior players" going to Mou and asking for the emails routine. Suspect he'd have spat at them.



At least with Mou people had started to realise that the dressing room culture was a little questionable in its fortitude. The hardest thing to hear post the Big Man's dismissal was that supposed captains went to him with a straight face and told him some players didn't want to be coached. And these were the blokes supposed to be leading us. One of them on the staff now ffs.

Point taken but when seasoned pros are being told not to make a first time pass or shot but always take a touch, he loses credibility. I wonder how Scholes or Keane would’ve taken that? He also treated them like children. You only had to see him giving Giggs a clip around the ear man was a loon. Loved him actually but we were routinely enjoying 80% possession but not getting a shot on target. No wonder when you’ve got a clear sight on goal but lost the chance because you’re told to take an extra touch.

Originally Posted by Denis Irwell

Point taken but when seasoned pros are being told not to make a first time pass or shot but always take a touch, he loses credibility. I wonder how Scholes or Keane would’ve taken that? He also treated them like children. You only had to see him giving Giggs a clip around the ear man was a loon. Loved him actually but we were routinely enjoying 80% possession but not getting a shot on target. No wonder when you’ve got a clear sight on goal but lost the chance because you’re told to take an extra touch.

You honestly think he told them not to make a first time pass?

His coaching would not lose credibility under any serious professional. As mentioned earlier, before he came to United even players who didn’t get along with him conceded he was a great coach. Some of the supposed responses here should have been concern.

Should have just seen his three years out. Our form was much better at the tail end of his final season and the FA cup win in hindsight may have meant things were clicking into place. That said, could equally be that the players knew he was out and started putting that extra 10% in but we definitely had a clear style of play, which is more than you can say about us now.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

You honestly think he told them not to make a first time pass?

His coaching would not lose credibility under any serious professional. As mentioned earlier, before he came to United even players who didn’t get along with him conceded he was a great coach. Some of the supposed responses here should have been concern.

It is written. Evidence was there before your eyes. Camped around a penalty area for 80 minutes with barely a shot on target.

Carrick wasn’t a serious professional?

Originally Posted by messhead

Should have just seen his three years out. Our form was much better at the tail end of his final season and the FA cup win in hindsight may have meant things were clicking into place. That said, could equally be that the players knew he was out and started putting that extra 10% in but we definitely had a clear style of play, which is more than you can say about us now.

Did you see us at West Ham when all we needed was 3pts to qualify for CL? Didn’t look like it was coming together at all.

Originally Posted by Denis Irwell

It is written. Evidence was there before your eyes. Camped around a penalty area for 80 minutes with barely a shot on target.

Carrick wasn’t a serious professional?



Did you see us at West Ham when all we needed was 3pts to qualify for CL? Didn’t look like it was coming together at all.

Carrick rated him as a coach. Speaks highly of him in that regard in his book. Just didn’t like all the analysis stuff. Glad to have him on the staff tbh

Originally Posted by messhead

Should have just seen his three years out. Our form was much better at the tail end of his final season and the FA cup win in hindsight may have meant things were clicking into place. That said, could equally be that the players knew he was out and started putting that extra 10% in but we definitely had a clear style of play, which is more than you can say about us now.

Could also be argued we should never have gone for him in the first place tbf.

He absolutely obliterated a squad and replaced the majority of them with worse quality.

You’d hope that at least a few of Mourinho signings actually make it at the club long term, but I think Van Gaal most successful transfer was our number two Keeper.

Originally Posted by AK14

Could also be argued we should never have gone for him in the first place tbf.

He absolutely obliterated a squad and replaced the majority of them with worse quality.

You’d hope that at least a few of Mourinho signings actually make it at the club long term, but I think Van Gaal most successful transfer was our number two Keeper.

Or our current POTY

Everyone wanted the squad obliterated. Literally everyone.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

Or our current POTY

Everyone wanted the squad obliterated. Literally everyone.

Yes, because van gaal was behind the shaw signing.

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

Yes, because van gaal was behind the shaw signing.

The two best players in Van Gaal’s last season were Blind and Martial. His signings.

Fact tbh.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

Or our current POTY

Everyone wanted the squad obliterated. Literally everyone.

Shit Shaw- Club signing
Average Shaw- Van Gaal signing...



The problem was obliterating the squad AND signing complete gash as replacements. The rot took full control when the likes of Rojo, Darmian, Schweinsteiger, Schneiderlin etc all rocked up.

Whether Van Gaal was fully responsible for that is another thing though...