Donny Van De Beek

Originally Posted by windy waffles

I think he needs to accept he doesn't have a future and move on.

Fact he got hooked instead of Fred says it all.

It really does #teamfred

Originally Posted by windy waffles

I think he needs to accept he doesn't have a future and move on.

Fact he got hooked instead of Fred says it all.

Yep, it says that Ole wanted to play defensive to hold out against the magnificent Young Boys.

VDB didn't put a foot wrong, but he's the wrong player for our risk averse manager.

Originally Posted by shenwen

Yep, it says that Ole wanted to play defensive to hold out against the magnificent Young Boys.

VDB didn't put a foot wrong, but he's the wrong player for our risk averse manager.

This.

I love Ole but I’m starting to think he needs to buck his ideas up.

Difficult one to judge though with the whole 10 man thing but personally I’d give Mozam a good, hard run in the team.

Sadly Matic is not going to be available every game but de Beek should be one of the 2 in a 4-2-3-1 formation.

Still think Lindelof should move to midfield too…would be a good pair and provide such a solid foundation, Balfour Beatty would want to use them in constructing an Arab skyscraper.

Mozam has loads to offer.

Originally Posted by windy waffles

I think he needs to accept he doesn't have a future and move on.

Fact he got hooked instead of Fred says it all.

Fred had one of his good game in five last night tbf to him. How DVB got dragged for instead of Pogba is the real question.

Originally Posted by Patty_b

Fred had one of his good game in five last night tbf to him. How DVB got dragged for instead of Pogba is the real question.

Fred ran around a lot but was still shit

Sick of seeing him getting shrugged off every challenge he attempts.

Originally Posted by Patty_b

Fred had one of his good game in five last night tbf to him. How DVB got dragged for instead of Pogba is the real question.

Ole would never have the nuts to drag Pogba at HT, cmon.

Poor decision to take off a player prepared to take care of the ball and move it quickly in that situation.

Originally Posted by Patty_b

Fred had one of his good game in five last night tbf to him. How DVB got dragged for instead of Pogba is the real question.

This… how him and Lingard are getting game time when they’re not prepared to renew is a joke. Get them in the reserves.

Originally Posted by Mr_Ed

This… how him and Lingard are getting game time when they’re not prepared to renew is a joke. Get them in the reserves.

Exactly. If Pogba won't sign a contract he shouldn't even be in the squad. Might as well get used to playing without him as soon as possible. Also think he's a large part of the problem with playing too slowly as he's always fannying around on the ball. He's also often the source of absolute shite teams running through us as he's dispossessed way too much.
A luxury player who would be useful if all the other components were in place but they're not.
A midfielder who can't play in midfield.

Originally Posted by Hank Scorpio

Exactly. If Pogba won't sign a contract he shouldn't even be in the squad. Might as well get used to playing without him as soon as possible. Also think he's a large part of the problem with playing too slowly as he's always fannying around on the ball. He's also often the source of absolute shite teams running through us as he's dispossessed way too much.
A luxury player who would be useful if all the other components were in place but they're not.
A midfielder who can't play in midfield.

Demoralising a talent like Beek for a player who wants out.
Great man management.

Originally Posted by shenwen

Demoralising a talent like Beek for a player who wants out.
Great man management.

Or, trying to utilise the clubs most expensive player and mercurial talent at the expense of a midfielder you get the sense the manager never really wanted.

Originally Posted by shenwen

Demoralising a talent like Beek for a player who wants out.
Great man management.

Pogba seems to decide whether he plays or not. The rumour that new contract talks might be or are happening should be enough to keep him in the team before he inevitably signs a pre contract with Madrid in January.
Mourinho couldn't manage Pogba - don't think Ole has much of a chance.

People upthread seem to be implying he was almost like Messi when he played last night. Yet another lightweight, anonymous performance in reality - that's why he was hooked.

Originally Posted by red in cumbria

People upthread seem to be implying he was almost like Messi when he played last night. Yet another lightweight, anonymous performance in reality - that's why he was hooked.

No, it's not. He was hooked because Wan-Bissaka was sent off.

Not that I agree with the decision but he wasn't hooked because he was shit, he wasn't shit. But maybe Ole didn't have the bravery to hook pogba/bruno/ronaldo.

Originally Posted by red in cumbria

People upthread seem to be implying he was almost like Messi when he played last night. Yet another lightweight, anonymous performance in reality - that's why he was hooked.

Incorrect, try watching the game....

He was breaking up play well and moving the ball on, he was subbed because wan bissaka can't control a football ..

Originally Posted by armchair

No, it's not. He was hooked because Wan-Bissaka was sent off.

Not that I agree with the decision but he wasn't hooked because he was shit, he wasn't shit. But maybe Ole didn't have the bravery to hook pogba/bruno/ronaldo.

Should have pulled Fred....

He's a hindrance

Fred's interception led to our goal. He does lots of good stuff, he just matches it with lots of shit stuff.

DvdB did £#%&! all wrong and was growing into it. A braver manager would've taken the view that he and Sancho needed the minutes and should've stayed on and Pogba or Bruno should've made way (Pogba).

Originally Posted by armchair

No, it's not. He was hooked because Wan-Bissaka was sent off.

Not that I agree with the decision but he wasn't hooked because he was shit, he wasn't shit. But maybe Ole didn't have the bravery to hook pogba/bruno/ronaldo.

I didn't say he was "shit", I said he didn't actually do that much.

Given that, his being taken off when we went down to 10 wasn't a huge surprise.

Originally Posted by red in cumbria

I didn't say he was "shit", I said he didn't actually do that much.

Given that, his being taken off when we went down to 10 wasn't a huge surprise.

At 10 men, you don't take off a midfielder who is good at holding and distributing the ball. In fact, it's exactly what you shouldn't do.

The only reason it wasn't a surprise was because Ole.

Granted I only watched the game half heartedly, Donny played good despite the yellow card, but....

it's almost like his passes were two fast for United players response times. Hence Wan Bissaka's red card.

I don't think this is Donny's fault, fast passes are good, it probably speaks more to the coaching style of the management more than anything else....I imagine???

Originally Posted by westcoastvan

Granted I only watched the game half heartedly, Donny played good despite the yellow card, but....

it's almost like his passes were two fast for United players response times. Hence Wan Bissaka's red card.

I don't think this is Donny's fault, fast passes are good, it probably speaks more to the coaching style of the management more than anything else....I imagine???

Question is whether your opinion would change if you watched the game wholeheartedly? Well?