Qatari Bid

I know all that, it’s just £#%&!ing annoying.

The crusade has been there waiting for someone to pick up and run with the story since 2009 with City, it’s all been fawning positive shit.

Originally Posted by dunk

Interesting theory. It was never like this. I’m not saying they’re wrong, I’m questioning their motives. They’ve never been as vociferous as this.

Of course the noise around it will be deafening. This isn't some £#%&!ing tinpot club like Newcastle or City we're talking about here. After Real Madrid this is the biggest and most recognisable football club in the world and it'll change hands for eye-watering money if it goes through. We'll be held to an infinitely higher standard than any other club in this country and that's understandable because United aren't like any other club. They're exceptional.

Originally Posted by Sparky***

Of course the noise around it will be deafening. This isn't some £#%&!ing tinpot club like Newcastle or City we're talking about here. After Real Madrid this is the biggest and most recognisable football club in the world and it'll change hands for eye-watering money if it goes through. We'll be held to an infinitely higher standard than any other club in this country and that's understandable because United aren't like any other club. They're exceptional.

Not if we take the oil money. We’ll be exactly the £#%&!ing same as PSG, Newcastle and Man £#%&!ing city.

Sickening

Qatari's will be custodians who are less than the club.

At City the owners ARE the club.

Originally Posted by browser

Not if we take the blood money. We’ll be exactly the £#%&!ing same as PSG, Newcastle and Man £#%&!ing city.

Sickening

"We" aren't taking any blood money. It's the Glazers that will be making off over the hill with 5 billion dollars. We've got absolutely no say in it whatsoever.

Originally Posted by Sparky***

"We" aren't taking any blood money. It's the Glazers that will be making off over the hill with 5 billion dollars. We've got absolutely no say in it whatsoever.

The point stands, all our history and the fact this club earned its right at the top table counts for nothing.

Originally Posted by browser

The point stands, all our history and the fact this club earned its right at the top table counts for nothing.

Prior to the rich owners we were always huge spenders.

We shouldn't romanticise our purity because it never was.

Originally Posted by tatty

Qatari's will be custodians who are less than the club.

At City the owners ARE the club.

That’s how I see it.

Originally Posted by browser

Not if we take the oil money. We’ll be exactly the £#%&!ing same as PSG, Newcastle and Man £#%&!ing city.

Sickening

Don't think you'll find Mick Hucknall dancing in a Bisht on Warwick Road like those cringy tea towel gimps

We won't be the same and never will be. When we were bought outright it was pretty clear this was only way we'd get out of it. (Red knights lol). The club has operated on 1 leg for the past 18 years so the Qataris can't add anything except clear the debt anyway.

Originally Posted by tatty

Prior to the rich owners we were always huge spenders.

We shouldn't romanticise our purity because it never was.

We weren’t though. Not really. We spent big on occasion, but we were reigned in by the PLC and the Edwards’ in comparison to what Ferguson wanted and what we could’ve spent. We could’ve bought Ronaldo or Rivaldo, or Batistuta, we could’ve absolutely blown Blackburn or Newcastle out of the water for Shearer, really. We had a wage cap that was hindering us massively until they broke it for Keane in 2000. We have always been able to spend, we haven’t always done it.

Originally Posted by browser

The point stands, all our history and the fact this club earned its right at the top table counts for nothing.

Well that's clearly horse shit otherwise we wouldn't be getting touted around for 5 billion quid would we.

Originally Posted by browser

Not if we take the oil money. We’ll be exactly the £#%&!ing same as PSG, Newcastle and Man £#%&!ing city.

Sickening

Just another oil club. If you don't care then you don't care, but it is what it is.

Originally Posted by History

Don't think you'll find Mick Hucknall dancing in a Bisht on Warwick Road like those cringy tea towel gimps

We won't be the same and never will be. When we were bought outright it was pretty clear this was only way we'd get out of it. (Red knights lol). The club has operated on 1 leg for the past 18 years so the Qataris can't add anything except clear the debt anyway.

I understand this. Just rather we kept going on the one leg. We’ve come back from worse than the Europa league ffs

Originally Posted by Patty_b

Just another oil club. If you don't care then you don't care, but it is what it is.

Qatar doesn't really have any oil. So not really.

Originally Posted by dunk

In theory you can only spend what you make, if it’s being enforced properly. United should always be at the top end of things based on what they earn, so it shouldn’t make that much difference on the pitch. Off the pitch though, definitely.

Agree. While there are many valid ethical criticisms to be made of the deal, this idea that success will no longer be earned is barmy. We'll spend what we should have been spending for the past 20 years, based on how much we generate.

What we will see though is a ton of investment in the stadium, training facilities, etc., as well as a clearing of the debt. Pretty much what we've all been asking for no? Yes there will be large caveats to that investment, but nobody is buying us just to spend money.

Originally Posted by Arabian Red

Qatar doesn't really have any oil. So not really.

Natural gas club doesn't have the same ring.

If Jim takes over, we'll be just another petrochemical club. Same difference.

Originally Posted by dunk

In theory you can only spend what you make, if it’s being enforced properly. United should always be at the top end of things based on what they earn, so it shouldn’t make that much difference on the pitch. Off the pitch though, definitely.

That isn’t true though.

Firstly, I’m not sure what you mean by separating on the pitch and off the pitch. I presume by on the pitch you mean transfer fees, but there’s lots of other things that affect on the pitch results. If you have unlimited cash to invest in training facilities etc, that’s going to see a benefit on the pitch, and isn’t covered by FFP.

If you have a lot of money to spend on a shiny new stadium, that is going to significantly increase your revenue - huge new sponsorship deals, increased match day income for example.

The thing about only being allowed to spend what you make isn’t true either. Clubs are allowed a certain loss per year, as long as the owners cover it. I think for the PL it’s £100m over 3 years, for UEFA it’s a bit less. For a wealthy owner, that’s absolutely £#%&! all. For others, that’s quite a large amount to absorb. And even with that, there’s ways to get around it to let you spend even more if you have the money. Why do you think Chelsea are suddenly signing players on 7 year contracts?

FFP aren’t there primarily to ensure a level playing field, they’re more than anything to stop clubs being badly run and going bankrupt. Which is obviously a good thing. But even enforced probably, they don’t stop a club with hugely wealthy owners having a huge advantage over others, and won’t do unless the way they work is radically changed. Which will never truly happen, because at the end of the day, the more money sloshing about in the game the better for the likes of UEFA and the PL.

Originally Posted by shenwen

If Jim takes over, we'll be just another petrochemical club. Same difference.

It really isn't, is it

Originally Posted by Patty_b

It really isn't, is it

For you, no. For others, yes.

Originally Posted by Ethers

That isn’t true though.

Firstly, I’m not sure what you mean by separating on the pitch and off the pitch. I presume by on the pitch you mean transfer fees, but there’s lots of other things that affect on the pitch results. If you have unlimited cash to invest in training facilities etc, that’s going to see a benefit on the pitch, and isn’t covered by FFP.

If you have a lot of money to spend on a shiny new stadium, that is going to significantly increase your revenue - huge new sponsorship deals, increased match day income for example.

The thing about only being allowed to spend what you make isn’t true either. Clubs are allowed a certain loss per year, as long as the owners cover it. I think for the PL it’s £100m over 3 years, for UEFA it’s a bit less. For a wealthy owner, that’s absolutely £#%&! all. For others, that’s quite a large amount to absorb. And even with that, there’s ways to get around it to let you spend even more if you have the money. Why do you think Chelsea are suddenly signing players on 7 year contracts?

Sure, but so what?. Many clubs at all levels have done this without a sniff of oil - sorry natural gas - money. Same with absorbing losses, as your Chelsea example shows.

There is a difference between financial doping (creating fake revenue streams) and investing in the product to better maximise overall revenue.

If Jim buys the club and builds a new training ground, are we all going to complain about how unfair it all is? Should we send the first team back to the Cliff to even things out?

Originally Posted by shenwen

For you, no. For others, yes

Well that's clear. But honestly believing they're the same

'You like torturing animals don't you?'

'no...'

'But you eat meat and drink milk!? It's the same, it's the same!'

'You like it when people get cancer'

'no I don't.'

'but you used to buy cigarettes didn't you?! It's the same, it's the same'.

'You love that Britians rivers and natural waterways are being overloaded with raw sewage don't you...'

'no, in fact I think it's an national disgrace'

'but you flush your toilet! it's the same, it's the same!'

'You fully support religous slave labour camps and the iron fist ruling of a one party state'

'no I dont'

'But you buy things made in China! It's the same, it's the same.'

Originally Posted by Arabian Red

Qatar doesn't really have any oil. So not really.

Crude oil production is at approximately 1,300,000 barrels per day, making Qatar one of the top 15 oil exporting countries and one of the world's major fertilizer producers.

Shenners, it would be best to check the facts before believing the word of an obvious wum account.

Pretty convinced Patty is on a wum now