Jesseh Lingard.

I'm not exactly shocked he's thriving in an environment of low expectations.

do you honestly think he'd be allowed to run the length of the pitch like that if wolves were playing against us? No, they'd be sat back with two banks of 4 and lingard would be stood about.

Originally Posted by Sparky***

I'm not exactly shocked he's thriving in an environment of low expectations.

do you honestly think he'd be allowed to run the length of the pitch like that if wolves were playing against us? No, they'd be sat back with two banks of 4 and lingard would be stood about.

Yeah, he’s never done that for United.

Originally Posted by dunk

Yeah, he’s never done that for United.

yeah you're right he was doing it so often that's why he's on loan

Originally Posted by saffers

Lingard will get a new contract. This is how Woodward operates.

Wouldnt surprise me, he'll spin it as a new player. As Sparky says, wont be doing much of that for us, like he hasnt in the last ten years. Hopefully Barca come in for him and it's out of our hands.

Is he still one of Raiola’s?

Lingz + £30m for Rice.

If he carries on like he is for the rest of the season WH will snap our hands off.

Originally Posted by Dr Stranger

He’s coming back here, isn’t he?...

#pray4utders

Originally Posted by red in cumbria

#pray4utders

He’s a totally different player with space to run into. It’s just space he’ll never get playing for us

Bring him and Welbeck back this summer.

Yorke and Cole mk2.

Originally Posted by lenin

He’s a totally different player with space to run into. It’s just space he’ll never get playing for us

Right because in the year he had one assist or one goal he never had any space to run into.....or the time when Jose played park the bus football, there was certainly never space to run into then because we were camped so far ahead in the opposition half.

The same space that’s rashford who scored 20 odd and himself , martial and Greenwood got 60 goals between them in the previous years. All players who need space to run into as they aren’t the typical strong CF type , they rely on movement and pace.

Granted the latter two haven’t been playing well , but lingards been shit for 2-3 seasons now. Has a good 4 months with a team with no expectations and all of a sudden it’s because he doesn’t have the space when he plays for us.

Never mind in every game against the big teams we tend to play counter attacking football.

He’s shit, he’s had a decent run in a team with no expectations and a fresh start. Don’t get it twisted , if he was a good player it doesn’t matter what style a team plays .

Originally Posted by Dasilvatwins

Right because in the year he had one assist or one goal he never had any space to run into.....or the time when Jose played park the bus football, there was certainly never space to run into then because we were camped so far ahead in the opposition half.

The same space that’s rashford who scored 20 odd and himself , martial and Greenwood got 60 goals between them in the previous years. All players who need space to run into as they aren’t the typical strong CF type , they rely on movement and pace.

Granted the latter two haven’t been playing well , but lingards been shit for 2-3 seasons now. Has a good 4 months with a team with no expectations and all of a sudden it’s because he doesn’t have the space when he plays for us.

Never mind in every game against the big teams we tend to play counter attacking football.

He’s shit, he’s had a decent run in a team with no expectations and a fresh start. Don’t get it twisted , if he was a good player it doesn’t matter what style a team plays .

Not entirely. Do you not think that teams have changed their approach to us and tend to sit deep and deny the space? Those that don’t tend to get a slap.

So he will be denied the space at United and needed to work harder - that said I think the change will him good but he needs to stay gone really. Reckon he’ll lean from his mistakes? Probably not.

Originally Posted by Mr_Ed

Not entirely. Do you not think that teams have changed their approach to us and tend to sit deep and deny the space? Those that don’t tend to get a slap.

So he will be denied the space at United and needed to work harder - that said I think the change will him good but he needs to stay gone really. Reckon he’ll lean from his mistakes? Probably not.

This. He’s still got shit goal celebrations at 27.

The only option I think we have for him is down the right but Amad looks a far better prospect.

Originally Posted by 92ToBury

This. He’s still got shit goal celebrations at 27.

The only option I think we have for him is down the right but Amad looks a far better prospect.

28

He's doing well there because he has acres of space to run at. It's why they get the best out of Antonio. Also, Moyes has a habit of getting the best out of shite, he managed to turn Fellaini into one of the most dangerous players in the league (from a football perspective) while at Everton. In a different setup and with different managers he was just a massive danger.

The best thing about Lingards form at West Ham is that it will hopefully make it easier to get rid of him in the next transfer window.

Originally Posted by The Stella Fella

Is he still one of Raiola’s?

No. Mino tried shopping him around europe for commission, got zero interest and quietly binned him off.

Dan James would run riot as well if he was given half the pitch to himself

Lingard had a purple patch like this in Mourinho's second season, and to a lesser extent in Ole's first few weeks. Shows the importance of confidence and a change of scenery. And makes you think

Hopefully we get a decent fee for a change and this loan will have been a good bit of business all round

Have West Ham got a bigger pitch than us or something?

Originally Posted by Ethers

Have West Ham got a bigger pitch than us or something?

Wolves too apparently.

His head had gone a bit at OT, the last 18 months he was a shadow of his former self on the pitch. Previously he'd been hit and miss, but could always be relied on to be finding space, grafting and wanting the ball, that all disappeared and he was hiding in plain sight on the pitch most of the time. He's not top tier by any stretch, but he's always been decent and capable of contributing, only those blinded by their, weird, hatred of his character can't see that tbh.

Originally Posted by dunk

Wolves too apparently.

His head had gone a bit at OT, the last 18 months he was a shadow of his former self on the pitch. Previously he'd been hit and miss, but could always be relied on to be finding space, grafting and wanting the ball, that all disappeared and he was hiding in plain sight on the pitch most of the time. He's not top tier by any stretch, but he's always been decent and capable of contributing, only those blinded by their, weird, hatred of his character can't see that tbh.

Spot on that for me.

Originally Posted by dunk

Wolves too apparently.

His head had gone a bit at OT, the last 18 months he was a shadow of his former self on the pitch. Previously he'd been hit and miss, but could always be relied on to be finding space, grafting and wanting the ball, that all disappeared and he was hiding in plain sight on the pitch most of the time. He's not top tier by any stretch, but he's always been decent and capable of contributing, only those blinded by their, weird, hatred of his character can't see that tbh.

Mate, he's just a bit shit.

West Ham make the pitch bigger, they play with 9 men deep behind the ball, with the two most advanced players (Lingard being one) chasing and pressing after the ball. And when they win the ball back they just pick it up and run at the opposition on the break. It's a simple job that he does well.

But unless you want to completely change the way we play and build a team around a mediocre 28 year old bean fanatic then we should be counting our lucky chickens that we're in a position where another club might want to buy him.

If he plays for us again, the only natural role he'll have is to play in Bruno's position, one where he won't just be breaking everytime he picks up the ball, and where he would actually have to play some solid football. In reality he'd be man-marked out of the game by oppositions that set up like West Ham do now. Within a month you'd be cursing the fact that we didn't sell him while we could.

I detest Lingard.

BUT.

Why are people pretending some of our best games under Ole haven’t seen us playing counter attacking football with a really quick transition from the defence to the attack? Lingard would probably do well in those games.