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Unread 13-03-2018, 10:51 PM
dunk
 
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As soon as he came on it was basically open season through our midfield for Sevilla stroll in on our defenders.
Said it in the other thread, he was constantly looking to get on the ball, but when he did, there was £#%&! all to do with it. We are horribly coached.

Nzonzi and Banega had the run of OT from minute 1. Didn't matter who was in midfield, they strolled about and dictated the tempo. The Scottish Player should've started. This idea of controlling the game without the ball, or a midfield, is £#%&!ing ludicrous and absolutely disgusting, he needs to £#%&! off with that shit, teach the players to want and move for the £#%&!ing ball. Then we'll see if Pogba is any good.
 
Unread 14-03-2018, 08:03 AM
shenwen
 
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Said it in the other thread, he was constantly looking to get on the ball, but when he did, there was £#%&! all to do with it. We are horribly coached.

Nzonzi and Banega had the run of OT from minute 1. Didn't matter who was in midfield, they strolled about and dictated the tempo. The Scottish Player should've started. This idea of controlling the game without the ball, or a midfield, is £#%&!ing ludicrous and absolutely disgusting, he needs to £#%&! off with that shit, teach the players to want and move for the £#%&!ing ball. Then we'll see if Pogba is any good.
Should have started with three in the middle or at least reverted to that at half time. We gave way too many chances in the first half. It was a gamble to play more of the same and we lost.

I do wonder how much Pogba’s troubles are related to having to play in a manner that doesn’t suit him. Not excusing him but like you say, let’s se how he does in a less restrictive system.
 
Unread 14-03-2018, 08:22 AM
Alex Jones was Right
 
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Can fanny around half arsed and still win most games plus he will look good on YouTube
Which it seems to be all about for him. Tracking back and doing the dirty work doesn’t make YouTube highlights.
 
Unread 14-03-2018, 08:25 AM
Red Santos
 
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£#%&!ing him and Martial are CASUAL FC

when he came on knew he would be shit
 
Unread 14-03-2018, 08:26 AM
ScholesGingerSheen
 
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The pass where he hit it about 4 yards behind Lingard out of play would embarrass a pub team player on a hungover Sunday never mind a near £100million footballer. If this is him without falling out with Jose he'll be worth about ten bob if he does ever see his arse with him.
 
Unread 14-03-2018, 08:26 AM
Alex Jones was Right
 
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Said it in the other thread, he was constantly looking to get on the ball, but when he did, there was £#%&! all to do with it. We are horribly coached.

....This idea of controlling the game without the ball, or a midfield, is £#%&!ing ludicrous and absolutely disgusting, he needs to £#%&! off with that shit, teach the players to want and move for the £#%&!ing ball. Then we'll see if Pogba is any good.
Why do international players need to be coached in movement? Lingard manages it. Scholes was also a class apart from his team mates in one of united’s best ever teams.

This kind of stuff is what is coached at youth level, not with players who are internationals. It’s a basic skill.

Other than preseason, there’s no time for coaching at that level. It’s fitness, drills and working on specific tactics for the upcoming games. It’s the same at any club. It was the same under Fergie, as his assistants said numerous times. I recall one of them saying they don’t coach certain things because it’s assumed they can already do it otherwise they wouldn’t be there and it would be taken as an insult to do so.
 
Unread 14-03-2018, 08:49 AM
ScholesGingerSheen
 
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Why do international players need to be coached in movement? Lingard manages it. Scholes was also a class apart from his team mates in one of united’s best ever teams.

This kind of stuff is what is coached at youth level, not with players who are internationals. It’s a basic skill.

Other than preseason, there’s no time for coaching at that level. It’s fitness, drills and working on specific tactics for the upcoming games. It’s the same at any club. It was the same under Fergie, as his assistants said numerous times. I recall one of them saying they don’t coach certain things because it’s assumed they can already do it otherwise they wouldn’t be there and it would be taken as an insult to do so.
It's not coaching them in movement individually, it's coaching the team in a system of play that involves passing and movement, it's been pointed out many times that sides like Spurs and the Bert's play in a way where the players on the ball have options and players moving to create angles, while United have players stood still while the player on the ball looks desperately for someone to pass to before either à) passing it back to the centre half or b) passing it to the opposition.

That's the movement everyone means, you can't seriously be arguing that Pep for example is just leaving his players to it because they already know how to move about the pitch. He has made players that their fans would've cheerfully watched sold a couple of years ago look like decent footballers. Whereas Jose is making players we were happy to see signed look like absolute turds.
 
Unread 14-03-2018, 09:12 AM
dunk
 
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Why do international players need to be coached in movement? Lingard manages it. Scholes was also a class apart from his team mates in one of united’s best ever teams.

This kind of stuff is what is coached at youth level, not with players who are internationals. It’s a basic skill.

Other than preseason, there’s no time for coaching at that level. It’s fitness, drills and working on specific tactics for the upcoming games. It’s the same at any club. It was the same under Fergie, as his assistants said numerous times. I recall one of them saying they don’t coach certain things because it’s assumed they can already do it otherwise they wouldn’t be there and it would be taken as an insult to do so.
£#%&! off with your excuses and bull shit Jammy.
 
Unread 14-03-2018, 10:29 AM
Stickman
 
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If he doesn’t £#%&! off in the summer I can see the crowd turning on him next season.
 
Unread 14-03-2018, 10:38 AM
ZiggyStardust
 
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I'd like to see him under a more modern attack minded coach however he can't completely hide behind Jose's shit on a stick football

The very least you expect from a professional footballer is for them to give their best and nobody can seriously believe Pogba is putting everything he has out on the pitch

Neville had it right when he said Pogba plays football like he's in the playground with his mates
It's not serious to him

With the amount of times he just lets opposition players run at our defence while he just casually jogs back could you imagine what Keano would do to him in the dressing room
 
Unread 14-03-2018, 10:56 AM
Lazlo Panaflex
 
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£#%&! off with your excuses and bull shit Jammy.
 
Unread 14-03-2018, 12:22 PM
LFOD
 
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He's lazy - who'll kick him up the backside? Show pony so far here. But we've paid a fee and need him to play (he's a pouty @#%&!) his best even if that means cupping his balls. Players running the show.
 
Unread 14-03-2018, 01:00 PM
Alex Jones was Right
 
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It's not coaching them in movement individually, it's coaching the team in a system of play that involves passing and movement, it's been pointed out many times that sides like Spurs and the Bert's play in a way where the players on the ball have options and players moving to create angles, while United have players stood still while the player on the ball looks desperately for someone to pass to before either à) passing it back to the centre half or b) passing it to the opposition.

That's the movement everyone means, you can't seriously be arguing that Pep for example is just leaving his players to it because they already know how to move about the pitch. He has made players that their fans would've cheerfully watched sold a couple of years ago look like decent footballers. Whereas Jose is making players we were happy to see signed look like absolute turds.
Do you think he’d have this squad playing that football? Van gaal tried for two years. There’s a lot more to it than just movement.

Guardiola took over clubs that weren’t far from what he wanted. They already had the basics of movement and the things that go with it, he just wanted to tweak it the way he wanted it. He also had big problems during his first few months in training at Munich, and from what I read it was because he was trying to teach such basics to treble winners.

lingard’s movement stands out a mile when he comes on. Why can he manage it and the others can’t? This issue goes back to fergie’s last few years. It’s not a new thing. All a coach does is set of the basic shape for the individuals to function within. Management is 99% managing people. Not coaching or tactics.
 
Unread 14-03-2018, 01:05 PM
dunk
 
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Do you think he’d have this squad playing that football? Van gaal tried for two years. There’s a lot more to it than just movement.

Guardiola took over clubs that weren’t far from what he wanted. They already had the basics of movement and the things that go with it, he just wanted to tweak it the way he wanted it. He also had big problems during his first few months in training at Munich, and from what I read it was because he was trying to teach such basics to treble winners.

lingard’s movement stands out a mile when he comes on. Why can he manage it and the others can’t? This issue goes back to fergie’s last few years. It’s not a new thing. All a coach does is set of the basic shape for the individuals to function within. Management is 99% managing people. Not coaching or tactics.
Yes.
 
Unread 14-03-2018, 01:05 PM
Billy Redface
 
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Clearly doesn't give a £#%&!.

A good player in there, but no idea what to do or willing to put the effort in to get there.

A symbol of what we're trying and failing to do, post-Fergie.
 
Unread 14-03-2018, 01:06 PM
Alex Jones was Right
 
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Yes.
Then you’re £#%&!ing mental. He wouldn’t last two seasons. City spent 10 years building the club around getting guardiola as manager. United lurch in whichever way the wind is blowing with their eye on the next financial report. And after 10 years preparing the club for him, guardiola still almost cracked up last year.

Our players have been stood still and not giving the player with the ball options for a good 6 or 7 years now.
 
Unread 14-03-2018, 01:07 PM
Billy Redface
 
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Then you’re f***ing mental. He wouldn’t last two seasons. City spent 10 years building the club around getting guardiola as manager. United lurch in whichever way the wind is blowing with their eye on the next financial report.
10 years? Steady on, Pal.
 
Unread 14-03-2018, 01:10 PM
Alex Jones was Right
 
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He's lazy - who'll kick him up the backside? Show pony so far here. But we've paid a fee and need him to play (he's a pouty @#%&!) his best even if that means cupping his balls. Players running the show.
The manager kicks him up the backside. But then he gets criticicised for it. The players run the show when the manager isnt allowed to kick them up the backside.

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10 years? Steady on, Pal.
From the moment they bought the club.
 
Unread 14-03-2018, 01:12 PM
ZiggyStardust
 
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Then you’re £#%&!ing mental. He wouldn’t last two seasons. City spent 10 years building the club around getting guardiola as manager. United lurch in whichever way the wind is blowing with their eye on the next financial report.

Our players have been stood still and not giving the player with the ball options for a good 6 or 7 years now.
Not sure what part of the building the club for Guardiola signing Wilfred Bony and Mangala was
 
Unread 14-03-2018, 01:12 PM
That Boy Ronaldo!
 
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I'd like to see him under a more modern attack minded coach however he can't completely hide behind Jose's shit on a stick football

The very least you expect from a professional footballer is for them to give their best and nobody can seriously believe Pogba is putting everything he has out on the pitch

Neville had it right when he said Pogba plays football like he's in the playground with his mates
It's not serious to him

With the amount of times he just lets opposition players run at our defence while he just casually jogs back could you imagine what Keano would do to him in the dressing room
He can't win.

- Plays well. Fans moan he didn't do it on another day.
- Plays shit. Gets the blame.

It's gone beyond him now. Fans should get behind him, cause his manager isn't.
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