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Originally Posted by dunk

It’s the manager 100%.

That’s why we argue. Whether it’s civil or not is entirely up to you. You’re totally entitled to your view; I just know your view is wrong. Maybe incomplete is more accurate.

Originally Posted by utd99

That’s why we argue. Whether it’s civil or not is entirely up to you. You’re totally entitled to your view; I just know your view is wrong. Maybe incomplete is more accurate.

Funnily enough I know the same about you.

Originally Posted by dunk

Funnily enough I know the same about you.

At this point, I’m not even disagreeing about Mou being the right guy, he’s not; but if you were doing the surgery you’d be taking out half the infected area, sewing us back up and hoping for the best.

Originally Posted by utd99

At this point, I’m not even disagreeing about Mou being the right guy, he’s not; but if you were doing the surgery you’d be taking out half the infected area, sewing us back up and hoping for the best.

There’s plenty needs to change, but unhappy players tend not to perform, particularly when they are being asked to do the opposite of what comes naturally/they enjoy. And when the manager spends so much time undermining them and digging them out, and making examples of them in public there’s little chance of them going out and busting a gut for him. Doesn’t matter what you do. Pogba is still usually our best player when he’s on the pitch. Look at what he’s done with Valencia, made him club captain and now the relationship is so broken Valencia wants out in Jan

Hazard was one of the Chelsea players that downed tools on Mourinho, Willian another, should they have sold them when they sacked him? Perhaps Madrid should’ve binned Ramos..

Mourinho is a cancer, get him out and a lot of things will start to repair.

Get rid of the Glazers and Woodward and who knows..

Originally Posted by dunk

There’s plenty needs to change, but unhappy players tend not to perform, particularly when they are being asked to do the opposite of what comes naturally/they enjoy. And when the manager spends so much time undermining them and digging them out, and making examples of them in public there’s little chance of them going out and busting a gut for him. Doesn’t matter what you do. Pogba is still usually our best player when he’s on the pitch. Look at what he’s done with Valencia, made him club captain and now the relationship is so broken Valencia wants out in Jan

Hazard was one of the Chelsea players that downed tools on Mourinho, Willian another, should they have sold them when they sacked him? Perhaps Madrid should’ve binned Ramos..

Mourinho is a cancer, get him out and a lot of things will start to repair.

Get rid of the Glazers and Woodward and who knows..

Pogba doesn’t play for Mourinho, he plays for Manchester United and the people who support them. Even if he despises the man with all his being, he should still respect the shirt. Do you really think that he and his little gang of man-children should be calling the shots?

Originally Posted by dunk

Mourinho is a cancer, get him out and a lot of things will start to repair.

Get rid of the Glazers and Woodward and who knows..

Almost works if you sing that to Rhythm is a Dancer

Some of our fans are starting to sound like England fans after one of their major tournament debacles

Not enough passion
They don't care enough

Utter shite
If the players are unhappy or lack confidence or don't have a clue what they are supposed to do on the pitch because of poor coaching then that is going to affect their performance
Players are human beings and are effected by stuff like this

Look at the reaction from teams after they score a goal
Suddenly they look more confident and start working harder
It's not that they weren't trying their best before but the goal has given them confidence and energy so it effects how they play...that's just human nature

Originally Posted by ZiggyStardust

Some of our fans are starting to sound like England fans after one of their major tournament debacles

Not enough passion
They don't care enough

Utter shite
If the players are unhappy or lack confidence or don't have a clue what they are supposed to do on the pitch because of poor coaching then that is going to affect their performance
Players are human beings and are effected by stuff like this

Look at the reaction from teams after they score a goal
Suddenly they look more confident and start working harder
It's not that they weren't trying their best before but the goal has given them confidence and energy so it effects how they play...that's just human nature

This.

Confidence is crucial in any sport or even a game. £#%&!, even the guy on the street should be able to relate. If you start knocking a few balls in playing pool, you get 'in the zone'. Like you're never gonna miss. Once it goes, you feel like you've never picked up a cue in your life.

Now imagine you have someone on your shoulder telling you to play more safety shots and fewer pots. Imagine if you didn't know which £#%&!ing colour you were. And every time you missed a pot, he took the cue off you and yelled out to the entire pub that you aren't good enough.

Then six weeks later he let's you have one long range pot. Better pot it or you're out again. You miss by a mile.

"See!! Not good enough!!!"

Originally Posted by Clownbones

Yeah, this unfortunately.

This beautiful notion of 'once you pull on that red shirt and go out there...' isn't as important as we like to think it is. The occasion, the crowd, the shirt might get that extra gear out of a player ... And sometimes we see it with this lot too - they're reactive. They up it when their tails are up, when they can sense wanting to win..... but the day in day comes from the manager. He decides how the team plays. What you are and aren't allowed to do. The confidence. Everything else that's important.

How often do you see older players in interviews talk about their successes. It's founded on believing in there team mates. Believing in what they are doing. Knowing they'll get there if they follow the plan. All they have to do is work hard and execute.

I saw an Ian Wright doc recently. He was talking about playing for George Graham. Said he loved him. That he got the best out of him because he was keen to impress him every day. As a result, he started trying things he'd never done before. He thought he'd score every game. That kind of mindset can take any player up a level. From good to great. From ok to good.

Look at Liverpool and Klopp. Jose was talking post match yesterday and admitted that they are better than us. That we couldn't match them. Yes, Jose. With a manager that is the complete antithesis of you.

Andy Robertson
Jordan Henderson
Joel Matip
James Milner
Dejan Lovren
Divide Origi (I'm including him because he contributed a 97th minute winner last week)

All play regularly or fairly regular. On paper, they're shit. Give them a manager who instills belief and watch them go.

Where was the clamber for Sarah, Firmino and Mane before they went there? Shaqiri has hit the ground running. We laughed when they signed him. Keita has slipped right in. Continho left and they haven't missed a beat.

Either all these signings are genius, the shit players are actually all secretly good or they have someone in charge who is positive and gets investment from his players.

This is not to say you can't ignore short comings in the squad and there will be and needs to be changes..... but not a single player is flourishing under this manager. Not one.

That's the manager's fault.

This.

Everton on paper have a far worse squad than we do. They gave the vermin a much harder game than us about 2 weeks ago.

Originally Posted by Clownbones

The times he plays well.

When he plays well, he comfortably bosses things. It's just nowhere near enough

When are those times?

Originally Posted by Big Norm

This.

Everton on paper have a far worse squad than we do. They gave the vermin a much harder game than us about 2 weeks ago.

Yeah but do you ever see photos of Seamus Coleman wearing a hat on the internet?

Originally Posted by ZiggyStardust

Check that small event called the World Cup final

He was ok for a few games during the World Cup. The bare minimum you should expect. And he only played with such discipline because it was the World Cup. His international manager had all sorts of problems with him prior. The world cup showed he can play with discipline. It also showed he only does so when he wants to, and neither manager could get it out of him until something was personally important to him. For a few games.

Originally Posted by Clownbones

This.

Confidence is crucial in any sport or even a game. £#%&!, even the guy on the street should be able to relate. If you start knocking a few balls in playing pool, you get 'in the zone'. Like you're never gonna miss. Once it goes, you feel like you've never picked up a cue in your life.

Now imagine you have someone on your shoulder telling you to play more safety shots and fewer pots. Imagine if you didn't know which £#%&!ing colour you were. And every time you missed a pot, he took the cue off you and yelled out to the entire pub that you aren't good enough.

Then six weeks later he let's you have one long range pot. Better pot it or you're out again. You miss by a mile.

"See!! Not good enough!!!"

‘No coaching’

Originally Posted by silv

‘No coaching’

Wish we could shout that.

Originally Posted by Clownbones

Wish we could shout that.

Wish we didn't have to.

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

He was ok for a few games during the World Cup. The bare minimum you should expect. And he only played with such discipline because it was the World Cup. His international manager had all sorts of problems with him prior. The world cup showed he can play with discipline. It also showed he only does so when he wants to, and neither manager could get it out of him until something was personally important to him. For a few games.

Shows you have an agenda if you think he was only OK in the world cup
He was a contender for motm in the final when his partner who apparently carries him (Kante) had a £#%&!ing shocker and was subbed

Deschamps didn't have an issue with Pogba but had trouble finding the balance in the team with him in it
Pogba isn't an easy player to fit into a balanced system and that is one of the issues with him but he never had an issue with Pogba as a person or as a professional because he's actually a good professional and a good lad by all accounts

Originally Posted by ZiggyStardust

Shows you have an agenda if you think he was only OK in the world cup
He was a contender for motm in the final when his partner who apparently carries him (Kante) had a £#%&!ing shocker and was subbed

Deschamps didn't have an issue with Pogba but had trouble finding the balance in the team with him in it
Pogba isn't an easy player to fit into a balanced system and that is one of the issues with him but he never had an issue with Pogba as a person or as a professional because he's actually a good professional and a good lad by all accounts

You see him giving those team talks too and wonder what the issue is.

The whole captaincy thing this season was a £#%&!ing shambles too.

He gets it for that first Leicester game. Scores his penalty and you start to think he's finally arriving.

Then what happens? What exactly does he see in him to give him the captaincy that then disappears?

Was it just a token to try and give him a boost?

He came back from the world cup a winner and absolutely buzzing. Fast forward four months and he's out the team entirely.

The whole relationship just seems a shambles.

https://twitter.com/rioferdy5/status/1074599201533775873?s=21

"Red next to black, jump the £#%&! back. Red next to yella, cuddly fella"

Originally Posted by ZiggyStardust

Shows you have an agenda if you think he was only OK in the world cup
He was a contender for motm in the final when his partner who apparently carries him (Kante) had a £#%&!ing shocker and was subbed

Deschamps didn't have an issue with Pogba but had trouble finding the balance in the team with him in it
Pogba isn't an easy player to fit into a balanced system and that is one of the issues with him but he never had an issue with Pogba as a person or as a professional because he's actually a good professional and a good lad by all accounts

Pogba is a good professional. But he's a stretch limousine and the Premier League is a load of very tight and twisty country roads.