PAID: AZ Alkmaar v Manchester United: Official Match Thread

Originally Posted by marlo

it’s not ole’s fault
It’s a shit competition
We are playing our kids and reserves
Mourinho is bad bad bad
Rashford is going through things off the pitch
This is transition

the fact still remains we are now at a stage where we didn’t even register a shot on target in the europa league....
It’s unacceptable and we are now even saying “we aren’t good enough to win it”...standard have dropped so much but because our manager used to be our squad striker let’s pretend he isnt leading us into an abyss

For everyone saying this, I’ve asked the same question; who do you get in? Who would come?

I can’t stress this enough but the footballing landscape has changed. I don’t think there is a manager out there who will come until next Summer at the earliest. Some will say they’ll come for the money; we aren’t special in that regard any more, plenty of clubs are cash rich and besides, I wouldn’t want a manager coming here just for the payday.

Most level headed people are saying the same thing, so far as I can see. We aren’t seeing great results on the pitch, but the new signings all seem to be doing well (comparatively speaking). No manager is coming in and getting us to suddenly be playing consistently good football, not with those players. If LVG and Mourinho, two managers with wildly different styles, couldn’t get them playing great football, I can’t see anyone else managing it with an even more depleted and inexperienced squad.

Originally Posted by NedKelly

For everyone saying this, I’ve asked the same question; who do you get in? Who would come?

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

Ah yes, the man incapable of building a solid defence and who failed to update his tactics year in year out, leading to a capitulation from one of the top teams in the country that they’re still recovering from.

Originally Posted by NedKelly

Ah yes, the man incapable of building a solid defence and who failed to update his tactics year in year out, leading to a capitulation from one of the top teams in the country that they’re still recovering from.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

at least we have gifs.

Originally Posted by marlo

it’s not ole’s fault
It’s a shit competition
We are playing our kids and reserves
Mourinho is bad bad bad
Rashford is going through things off the pitch
This is transition

the fact still remains we are now at a stage where we didn’t even register a shot on target in the europa league....
It’s unacceptable and we are now even saying “we aren’t good enough to win it”...standard have dropped so much but because our manager used to be our squad striker let’s pretend he isnt leading us into an abyss

A lot of people were poo poohing winning the EL. They were poo poohing finishing second.

Mou wasn't getting the most out of the players they said.

Now we're being told not to expect any better than absolute shite. From a lot of the same people.

Not cool poo poohing.

Originally Posted by Vedder

yeah let’s keep him even though everyone can see he’s a shit coach. We are the worst coached side in the league, we’re just lucky we have better individuals than the teams below us

We’ve looked that way for over 7 years. Oles been in charge for around 10 months of that and only had chance to replace a few of the players he wants to replace.

It will be the dressing room dynamics that make us look badly coached and until people are patient enough to give a manager time to change that, (or enough time where we can say for sure they have failed to change that), we’ll continue to look badly coached regardless of manager or coaching staff.

The dressing room had similar problems when fergie took over in 86. Were he and his staff shit at coaching between 86-91 or was it a case of sorting out the dressing room before it could be reflected in the performances?

This isn’t a computer game.

Originally Posted by windy waffles

I am all for playing kids if they are there on merit and improve the side. Our kid's don't with the exceptional of The Scottish Player and potentially Greenwood.

Yet, whilst he wasn’t playing the kids, numerous people were slagging him off for it. Crazy idea, but maybe ole knows better than these idiots.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

Rashford and Martial thrived under LvG.

Unfortunately after ten months there’s no real indication that we are being coached. That’s worrying. The young players especially shouldn’t look this defeated.

When the team were virtually ignoring what van gaal was telling them.

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

We’ve looked that way for over 7 years. Oles been in charge for around 10 months of that and only had chance to replace a few of the players he wants to replace.

It will be the dressing room dynamics that make us look badly coached and until people are patient enough to give a manager time to change that, (or enough time where we can say for sure they have failed to change that), we’ll continue to look badly coached regardless of manager or coaching staff.

The dressing room had similar problems when fergie took over in 86. Were he and his staff shit at coaching between 86-91 or was it a case of sorting out the dressing room before it could be reflected in the performances?

This isn’t a computer game.

It doesn’t matter whether you or I think he should be given time, or what has happened in previous regimes, the sad fact is that no manager, not one, will ever be able to exist solely for the future. There is a league season and cups in front of us now. Matches in front of us now. If he doesn’t find a way to at least give people something to cling onto now -some sort of hope through visible improvement- then the tide is going to turn; we both know it.

Originally Posted by marlo

it’s not ole’s fault
It’s a shit competition
We are playing our kids and reserves
Mourinho is bad bad bad
Rashford is going through things off the pitch
This is transition

the fact still remains we are now at a stage where we didn’t even register a shot on target in the europa league....
It’s unacceptable and we are now even saying “we aren’t good enough to win it”...standard have dropped so much but because our manager used to be our squad striker let’s pretend he isnt leading us into an abyss

You seem to be an expert at point out flaws. Let's see your ideas for how to get out of this funk. Address every single issue.

It’s a shit competition - It's an incredibly difficult and arduous competition. Not shit
We are playing our kids and reserves - We are. But the 'senior' players aren't stepping up
Mourinho is bad bad bad - Sure, I guess
Rashford is going through things off the pitch - Look at Courtois and how players cope under pressure.
This is transition - It is. Only a @#%&! would think otherwise.

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

When the team were virtually ignoring what van gaal was telling them.

Of course...

Originally Posted by utd99

...the sad fact is that no manager, not one, will ever be able to exist solely for the future. There is a league season and cups in front of us now. Matches in front of us now. If he doesn’t find a way to at least give people something to cling onto now -some sort of hope through visible improvement- then the tide is going to turn; we both know it.

Like in fergie’s early years, the only people who need something to cling onto are a core group of players and those above the manager. A bunch of fans forming opinions with 10% of the information available are irrelevant.

If the owners and woodward are on board with ole’s plans and understand it will take time to implement, particularly if they fail to sell or buy everyone he wants to when he wants to, then ole should be ok this season so long as he avoids the disasters of relegation and losing the dressing room.

Barring those disasters, if the club pull the trigger before Christmas 2020, then they’re not fit to run the football club and it doesn’t matter who they employ as the fans will never be getting what they want.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

Of course...

Of course, unless you stick your head in the sand and choose to ignore anything against your hero.

0-0 on a plastic pitch with half a team out, in a competition nobody gives a £#%&! about.

Arsed.

Originally Posted by dunk

Didn't see last 10 minutes of the first half or any of the second, but clear as day you're creating absolutely nothing when your 2 senior men in midfield are completely and utterly shot, anonymous and can't trap or pass a ball.

Garner needs to play in these games, just ditch Matic and Mata at a care home in Holland somewhere ffs.

Absolutely correct. The young lads are learning, these two are busted flushes.

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

Like in fergie’s early years, the only people who need something to cling onto are a core group of players and those above the manager. A bunch of fans forming opinions with 10% of the information available are irrelevant.

If the owners and woodward are on board with ole’s plans and understand it will take time to implement, particularly if they fail to sell or buy everyone he wants to when he wants to, then ole should be ok this season so long as he avoids the disasters of relegation and losing the dressing room.

Barring those disasters, if the club pull the trigger before Christmas 2020, then they’re not fit to run the football club and it doesn’t matter who they employ as the fans will never be getting what they want.



Of course, unless you stick your head in the sand and choose to ignore anything against your hero.

Will you stop going on about Fergie's early years. Every post you bring it up. Times have moved on - are you that thick that you can't see that?

Christ on a bike...

Originally Posted by red in cumbria

As already said, on this basis both LvG and Mourinho - two of the most decorated managers in the game - were terrible coaches. With us anyway. So why with us, not elsewhere?

Or maybe at least a large part of the problem is actually something else??

It's up to the manager. It starts with him.

Originally Posted by windy waffles

Will you stop going on about Fergie's early years. Every post you bring it up. Times have moved on - are you that thick that you can't see that?

Christ on a bike...

There are some fundamentals that never change.

Originally Posted by windy waffles

Will you stop going on about Fergie's early years. Every post you bring it up. Times have moved on - are you that thick that you can't see that?

Christ on a bike...

Time has moved on in the sense a 46 year old fergie being given the job now would have no chance. Yet people still want to keep appointing new managers every 12 months as if there’s a quick solution just waiting to be discovered. There’s a lesson there.

Times have not moved on that much.

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

Of course, unless you stick your head in the sand and choose to ignore anything against your hero.

Not really ignoring it tbf, just dismissing it as nonsense.

Originally Posted by saayfooty

It's up to the manager. It starts with him.

So why, again, do managers who looked the business elsewhere struggle here?

Because the whole culture of the club is toxic, that's why.

Originally Posted by red in cumbria

Because the whole culture of the club is toxic, that's why.

And some people want rid of the one man with a plan to change that.