Ole

I don't get the point of comparing Ole's CV with that of other managers.

There is very little on his CV that would recommend him for the job he has. We get it.

In my opnion, he is doing a sound job under very difficult circumstances overall. Think he should be judged on that.

Originally Posted by goldfinger II

I don't get the point of comparing Ole's CV with that of other managers.

There is very little on his CV that would recommend him for the job he has. We get it.

Somewhat are we basing his hiring on? Being a nice guy?

You’re right in a way because many of us turned a blind eye to his resume when he was first hired. Hindsight is great

Originally Posted by goldfinger II

I don't get the point of comparing Ole's CV with that of other managers.

There is very little on his CV that would recommend him for the job he has. We get it.

There was nothing on Pep's or Zidane's when they got massive jobs either.

We had guys who had great CVs before him, but they were judged on what they did, not what they'd done.

As will Ole.

Klopp wasn't given time because of a track record. He was given time because he had the right idea, there were signs of what he wanted to do and the board were patient.

Originally Posted by shenwen

Somewhat are we basing his hiring on? Being a nice guy?

You’re right in a way because many of us turned a blind eye to his resume when he was first hired. Hindsight is great

We hired him because of that winning spell and the ideas behind it.

Originally Posted by Dr Stranger

There was nothing on Pep's or Zidane's when they got massive jobs either.

We had guys who had great CVs before him, but they were judged on what they did, not what they'd done.

As will Ole.

Klopp wasn't given time because of a track record. He was given time because he had the right idea, there were signs of what he wanted to do and the board were patient.



We hired him because of that winning spell and the ideas behind it.

How do you know Klopp wasn't given time because of his record?

Originally Posted by Dr Stranger

There was nothing on Pep's or Zidane's when they got massive jobs either.

We had guys who had great CVs before him, but they were judged on what they did, not what they'd done.

As will Ole.

Klopp wasn't given time because of a track record. He was given time because he had the right idea, there were signs of what he wanted to do and the board were patient.

We hired him because of that winning spell and the ideas behind it.

his ideas were taking the players on a nostalgia trip and getting the mood up after the dark cloud left. Now thats run its course we're seeing what other ideas he has which arent much.

Originally Posted by shenwen

Somewhat are we basing his hiring on? Being a nice guy?

You’re right in a way because many of us turned a blind eye to his resume when he was first hired. Hindsight is great

The big bounce helped a lot. Thought he was made permanent prematurely, to be honest, but had no real problem with him getting the job.

I've been genuinely impressed by him this season. Not perfect by any means - the defence should be better organised IMO, I think his body language and PR stuff isn't great and doesn't inspire confidence - but overall, making a great fist of keeping the show on the road with such a weak squad and getting the beginnings of a team together.

Originally Posted by goldfinger II

The big bounce helped a lot. Thought he was made permanent prematurely, to be honest, but had no real problem with him getting the job.

I've been genuinely impressed by him this season. Not perfect by any means - the defence should be better organised IMO, I think his body language and PR stuff isn't great and doesn't inspire confidence - but overall, making a great fist of keeping the show on the road with such a weak squad and getting the beginnings of a team together.

Seek medical help.

Originally Posted by silv

his ideas were taking the players on a nostalgia trip and getting the mood up after the dark cloud left. Now thats run its course we're seeing what other ideas he has which arent much.

If that's your assessment of him then fine, but it's nothing to do with his CV.

We didn't hire him because of his CV. We won't sack him because of his CV.

Originally Posted by Dr Stranger

If that's your assessment of him then fine, but it's nothing to do with his CV.

We didn't hire him because of his CV. We won't sack him because of his CV.

Lied about being an expert in Excel and fluent in Mandarin apparently

'Solskjaer in fake CV storm'

Originally Posted by Zorg

Lied about being an expert in Excel and fluent in Mandarin apparently

'Solskjaer in fake CV storm'

Hobbies:

Socialising with friends
Going to the cinema
Smiling through pain

Originally Posted by Dr Stranger

Hobbies:

Socialising with friends
Going to the cinema
Smiling through pain

Playing football manager.

Originally Posted by goldfinger II

The big bounce helped a lot. Thought he was made permanent prematurely, to be honest, but had no real problem with him getting the job.
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I've been genuinely impressed by him this season. Not perfect by any means - the defence should be better organised IMO, I think his body language and PR stuff isn't great and doesn't inspire confidence - but overall, making a great fist of keeping the show on the road with such a weak squad and getting the beginnings of a team together.

So the main arguments seem to be.

1. He isn't a good enough coach to get a group of better players to beat Burnley/watford.

We know our biggest problem is the lack of creativity and the ability to unlock defences especially at home. It's a longstanding problem made worse by Pogba's absence and tbf he hasn't improved it that much. There have been a few signs eg Norwich. It points to not having the right players - everyone knows we need a passer.

yet he has somehow managed to get us to beat much 'better' teams Chelsea twice, City and Spurs. Surely beating better teams is a much much harder task?

We've played some good stuff in spurts in most games. When we counter attack at pace we look like a proper United side.

Fergie has always said young players are inconsistent and we are having to play young players too much because of the depth of the squad.


2. He's sold players we should have kept.

Lukaku/Smalling/Fellani/Sanchez/Young/Darmian really? I wouldn't want to to see any one of these players in the side. People having been crying to have this lot binned as not being good enough - yet suddenly rose tinted spectacles make Lukaku a better bet at centre forward than martial? Give your head a wobble. He deserves the freedom of Manchester for binning Fellani alone. Sanchez - one of the worst signings in our history.

One of the great things Ole has done is get Martial/Rashford working together as a pair.

3. We haven't improved and there is no discernible plan.

Christ. LVG's s side to side - Mourinhou's dreary defensive approach. We have verve and commitment and have some young players coming through albeit too quickly. Would Pochetino have done better? The evidence from Spurs is that he had to clear lots of players out first - we have to do the same and bring new players in - that takes time. The comparison should be with Klopp or anyone else at the START not where they are now.


4. He only got the job because of May1999.
He got the job because the big names failed 2 players left from LVG - Mourinhou spent a shed load on dross that didn't perform. Bought Fred didn't play him etc etc.

It's a different approach based on young players - some home grown some bought in. I'd rather have Williams, Greenwood and James than Young, Fellani and Sanchez thanks. They come with inconsistency but also some genuine excitement.

Originally Posted by redhegemony

So the main arguments seem to be.

1. He isn't a good enough coach to get a group of better players to beat Burnley/watford.

We know our biggest problem is the lack of creativity and the ability to unlock defences especially at home. It's a longstanding problem made worse by Pogba's absence and tbf he hasn't improved it that much. There have been a few signs eg Norwich. It points to not having the right players - everyone knows we need a passer.

yet he has somehow managed to get us to beat much 'better' teams Chelsea twice, City and Spurs. Surely beating better teams is a much much harder task?

We've played some good stuff in spurts in most games. When we counter attack at pace we look like a proper United side.

Fergie has always said young players are inconsistent and we are having to play young players too much because of the depth of the squad.


2. He's sold players we should have kept.

Lukaku/Smalling/Fellani/Sanchez/Young/Darmian really? I wouldn't want to to see any one of these players in the side. People having been crying to have this lot binned as not being good enough - yet suddenly rose tinted spectacles make Lukaku a better bet at centre forward than martial? Give your head a wobble. He deserves the freedom of Manchester for binning Fellani alone. Sanchez - one of the worst signings in our history.

One of the great things Ole has done is get Martial/Rashford working together as a pair.

3. We haven't improved and there is no discernible plan.

Christ. LVG's s side to side - Mourinhou's dreary defensive approach. We have verve and commitment and have some young players coming through albeit too quickly. Would Pochetino have done better? The evidence from Spurs is that he had to clear lots of players out first - we have to do the same and bring new players in - that takes time. The comparison should be with Klopp or anyone else at the START not where they are now.


4. He only got the job because of May1999.
He got the job because the big names failed 2 players left from LVG - Mourinhou spent a shed load on dross that didn't perform. Bought Fred didn't play him etc etc.

It's a different approach based on young players - some home grown some bought in. I'd rather have Williams, Greenwood and James than Young, Fellani and Sanchez thanks. They come with inconsistency but also some genuine excitement.

Originally Posted by redhegemony

So the main arguments seem to be.

1. He isn't a good enough coach to get a group of better players to beat Burnley/watford.

We know our biggest problem is the lack of creativity and the ability to unlock defences especially at home. It's a longstanding problem made worse by Pogba's absence and tbf he hasn't improved it that much. There have been a few signs eg Norwich. It points to not having the right players - everyone knows we need a passer.

yet he has somehow managed to get us to beat much 'better' teams Chelsea twice, City and Spurs. Surely beating better teams is a much much harder task?

We've played some good stuff in spurts in most games. When we counter attack at pace we look like a proper United side.

Fergie has always said young players are inconsistent and we are having to play young players too much because of the depth of the squad.


2. He's sold players we should have kept.

Lukaku/Smalling/Fellani/Sanchez/Young/Darmian really? I wouldn't want to to see any one of these players in the side. People having been crying to have this lot binned as not being good enough - yet suddenly rose tinted spectacles make Lukaku a better bet at centre forward than martial? Give your head a wobble. He deserves the freedom of Manchester for binning Fellani alone. Sanchez - one of the worst signings in our history.

One of the great things Ole has done is get Martial/Rashford working together as a pair.

3. We haven't improved and there is no discernible plan.

Christ. LVG's s side to side - Mourinhou's dreary defensive approach. We have verve and commitment and have some young players coming through albeit too quickly. Would Pochetino have done better? The evidence from Spurs is that he had to clear lots of players out first - we have to do the same and bring new players in - that takes time. The comparison should be with Klopp or anyone else at the START not where they are now.


4. He only got the job because of May1999.
He got the job because the big names failed 2 players left from LVG - Mourinhou spent a shed load on dross that didn't perform. Bought Fred didn't play him etc etc.

It's a different approach based on young players - some home grown some bought in. I'd rather have Williams, Greenwood and James than Young, Fellani and Sanchez thanks. They come with inconsistency but also some genuine excitement.

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Originally Posted by redhegemony

So the main arguments seem to be.

1. He isn't a good enough coach to get a group of better players to beat Burnley/watford.

We know our biggest problem is the lack of creativity and the ability to unlock defences especially at home. It's a longstanding problem made worse by Pogba's absence and tbf he hasn't improved it that much. There have been a few signs eg Norwich. It points to not having the right players - everyone knows we need a passer.

yet he has somehow managed to get us to beat much 'better' teams Chelsea twice, City and Spurs. Surely beating better teams is a much much harder task?

We've played some good stuff in spurts in most games. When we counter attack at pace we look like a proper United side.

Fergie has always said young players are inconsistent and we are having to play young players too much because of the depth of the squad.


2. He's sold players we should have kept.

Lukaku/Smalling/Fellani/Sanchez/Young/Darmian really? I wouldn't want to to see any one of these players in the side. People having been crying to have this lot binned as not being good enough - yet suddenly rose tinted spectacles make Lukaku a better bet at centre forward than martial? Give your head a wobble. He deserves the freedom of Manchester for binning Fellani alone. Sanchez - one of the worst signings in our history.

One of the great things Ole has done is get Martial/Rashford working together as a pair.

3. We haven't improved and there is no discernible plan.

Christ. LVG's s side to side - Mourinhou's dreary defensive approach. We have verve and commitment and have some young players coming through albeit too quickly. Would Pochetino have done better? The evidence from Spurs is that he had to clear lots of players out first - we have to do the same and bring new players in - that takes time. The comparison should be with Klopp or anyone else at the START not where they are now.


4. He only got the job because of May1999.
He got the job because the big names failed 2 players left from LVG - Mourinhou spent a shed load on dross that didn't perform. Bought Fred didn't play him etc etc.

It's a different approach based on young players - some home grown some bought in. I'd rather have Williams, Greenwood and James than Young, Fellani and Sanchez thanks. They come with inconsistency but also some genuine excitement.

Nicely done

Originally Posted by redhegemony

4. He only got the job because of May1999.
He got the job because the big names failed 2 players left from LVG - Mourinhou spent a shed load on dross that didn't perform. Bought Fred didn't play him etc etc.

It's a different approach based on young players - some home grown some bought in. I'd rather have Williams, Greenwood and James than Young, Fellani and Sanchez thanks. They come with inconsistency but also some genuine excitement.

Utter horsehshit.

Do you honestly think if he didn't play United previously that we would have gone and asked Molde if we can borrow their manager?

Originally Posted by windy waffles

Utter horsehshit.

Do you honestly think if he didn't play United previously that we would have gone and asked Molde if we can borrow their manager?

Would Barca have appointed Pep if he was managing Molde?

Originally Posted by redhegemony

so the main arguments seem to be.

1. He isn't a good enough coach to get a group of better players to beat burnley/watford.

we know our biggest problem is the lack of creativity and the ability to unlock defences especially at home. It's a longstanding problem made worse by pogba's absence and tbf he hasn't improved it that much. There have been a few signs eg norwich. It points to not having the right players - everyone knows we need a passer.

Yet he has somehow managed to get us to beat much 'better' teams chelsea twice, city and spurs. Surely beating better teams is a much much harder task?

We've played some good stuff in spurts in most games. When we counter attack at pace we look like a proper united side.

Fergie has always said young players are inconsistent and we are having to play young players too much because of the depth of the squad.


2. He's sold players we should have kept.

lukaku/smalling/fellani/sanchez/young/darmian really? I wouldn't want to to see any one of these players in the side. People having been crying to have this lot binned as not being good enough - yet suddenly rose tinted spectacles make lukaku a better bet at centre forward than martial? Give your head a wobble. He deserves the freedom of manchester for binning fellani alone. Sanchez - one of the worst signings in our history.

One of the great things ole has done is get martial/rashford working together as a pair.

3. We haven't improved and there is no discernible plan.

christ. Lvg's s side to side - mourinhou's dreary defensive approach. We have verve and commitment and have some young players coming through albeit too quickly. Would pochetino have done better? The evidence from spurs is that he had to clear lots of players out first - we have to do the same and bring new players in - that takes time. The comparison should be with klopp or anyone else at the start not where they are now.


4. He only got the job because of may1999.
he got the job because the big names failed 2 players left from lvg - mourinhou spent a shed load on dross that didn't perform. Bought fred didn't play him etc etc.

It's a different approach based on young players - some home grown some bought in. I'd rather have williams, greenwood and james than young, fellani and sanchez thanks. They come with inconsistency but also some genuine excitement.

This

Originally Posted by windy waffles

utter horsehshit.

Do you honestly think if he didn't play united previously that we would have gone and asked molde if we can borrow their manager?

Ole out!

Theres no point in repeatedly slagging the man.

He came in, started well and is a united legend. The job isn't right for him but not his fault.