Nani and Anderson........

Their complete failure to live up to the promise they showed in their first season is a major reason for our current troubles

As they say, discuss........

They're foreign. Foreigners are worse than the British imo.

Blame lies with Ferguson therefore.

Anderson has nice hair.

Originally Posted by red in cumbria

Their complete failure to live up to the promise they showed in their first season is a major reason for our current troubles

As they say, discuss........

totally agree they are much worse than when they signed which says bundles for our coaching staff

Both have failed to live up to expectations, no question about that. But blaming our current problems on 2 young players who don't even start regularly is a bit

they'll be gone in the summer.

Nani, Ando, Berba, Vidic, Nev, Scholes, can all go, imo. maybe even Carrick as well.

nft.

well spend a lot of money on them and probably expected them to have been regular starters by now, but they seem to have regressed. anything to do with cq going? we dont really know but they have had enough time now theres no excused but they aren't delivering. plus it pisses me off anderson cant speak english

I gave up on Nani a long time ago (although I'll always think fondly of him for scoring his Pen in Moscow + his goals against Liverpool, Spurs & Arsenal in that same glorious season)

Anderson I always thought would make it as a United player.
I was convinced.
Who knows, he might just do it...but for every good game there are 3 bad ones.

One thing I will say, the ever changing midfield is doing nobody any favours whatsoever.

Originally Posted by tdf1

totally agree they are much worse than when they signed which says bundles for our coaching staff

we lost carlos queiroz ... what else can I say

Originally Posted by El Chalten

they'll be gone in the summer.

Nani, Ando, Berba, Vidic, Nev, Scholes, can all go, imo. maybe even Carrick as well.

nft.

I'll get in training then - gonna need to recruit some cheap bodies IMHO view

oooooooooooh sex.

Originally Posted by The Stella Fella

I'll get in training then - gonna need to recruit some cheap bodies IMHO view

i like Carrick, but he's been £#%&! this season. might as well sell him and just play Gibson.

nft.

Originally Posted by El Chalten

they'll be gone in the summer.

Nani, Ando, Berba, Vidic, Nev, Scholes, can all go, imo. maybe even Carrick as well.

nft.

It will take a new manager to get rid of most of those.

Simply speaking, their footballing brains simply aren't good enough and are coaching staff aren't good enough to improve them technically.

Without wanting to sound all marlo, we very rarely bring through a player and massively develop their technical aspects. What we can do is develop their tactical nous. This was shown in the extreme with Ronaldo who was willing to learn and from 06/07 onwards new exactly when to pass, shoot etc etc. Before that he had the skills and the ability they just needed combining with the know how of what to do with them. Rooney's another one. His shooting has got no better, in fact from outside the area it's got infinitely worse, yet he has come on greatly as a player. His decision making, awareness and movement is superb.

Both Nani and Anderson haven't got the willing or intelligence to seriously develop the tactical aspect of their games, because they certainly haven't come on in their 2 and a half years at the club.

Originally Posted by John Blazini

Both have failed to live up to expectations, no question about that. But blaming our current problems on 2 young players who don't even start regularly is a bit

I don't blame it *all* on them, as my original post said. But it is a valid point IMO.

Just imagine if Anderson, in particular, had come on as we all hoped he would after Moscow?? Our midfield would look a *lot* less threadbare

And he actually looks unfit and/or uninterested a lot of the time. Absolutely unforgiveable

Originally Posted by red in cumbria

Their complete failure to live up to the promise they showed in their first season is a major reason for our current troubles

As they say, discuss........

Without question, youd think the plan was to have them as the long term successors to Scholes and Giggs. I've just about lost all faith in Anderson wheras I lost that with Nani around October.

Costly failures.

We don't really have the technical 'nous' coaching skills that we had with queiroz. Phelan hasn't got it and I'm not sure that Muldersteen has it either.

When Scholes and Nev pack it in they should use those 2 plus Ole as tactical coaches for the first team.

Originally Posted by red in cumbria

I don't blame it *all* on them, as my original post said. But it is a valid point IMO.

Just imagine if Anderson, in particular, had come on as we all hoped he would after Moscow?? Our midfield would look a *lot* less threadbare

And he actually looks unfit and/or uninterested a lot of the time. Absolutely unforgiveable

No, I agree it's definitely a factor, but there are multiple reasons. If you're talking about midfield, Carrick going backwards and Hargreaves being a £#%&!ing crock are just as important.

Up front, Berbatov's failure to live up to his reputation is a big issue. You'd maybe have expected a little more from the younger lads too.

At the back, Rio and Evans' inability to stay fit for any length of time. Vidic having an alarming slump in form. All big reasons why we're looking a bit £#%&!ed at the moment.

And that's without even going in to 'off the field issues' ......

Originally Posted by Sparky***

oooooooooooh sex.

"Were you...errm...drunk last night?"

"No."

Well, touch wood, it seems that half of this problem might - just possibly - be well on its way to being solved.......

Now for the fat, lazy, uninterested Brazilian