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Unread 04-12-2020, 07:55 PM
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Liverpool boss Jurgen Klopp has criticised Premier League executives for "ignoring player welfare" over the five substitutes rule, which was not considered at this week's shareholder meeting.

"Nobody thought [five substitutes] would go through," he said. "I told you about the facts in the manager meeting, if we were allowed to vote it would have gone through with 15-16 votes.

"But that it hasn't happened since is a sign the shareholders see it different to their managers.

"That is not a good sign, to be honest, because it shows they ignore player welfare. The coaches donít do that but these people do. But we have to accept that for the moment."


not vested interests for a squad famously being ran into the ground, no sirree
I don't disagree that his motives here are self interested, but can also believe his claim that most PL managers favour it. And they have a point tbh.
 
Unread 04-12-2020, 08:02 PM
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It does benefit bigger clubs, but it primarily supports the players.

Smaller clubs are being more selfish by not considering the players. At least the bigger clubs selfishness comes with a benefit.

Chris Wilder has pretty much said that he wants 3 subs because itís better for Sheffield United and thatís all he cares about. If a manager at a big club said the same about 5 subs, theyíd be slated.
 
Unread 04-12-2020, 09:06 PM
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You canít really blame Chris Wilder, ther isnít any quality on his bench
 
Unread 04-12-2020, 10:02 PM
Dr Stranger
 
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You canít really blame Chris Wilder, ther isnít any quality on his bench
Thatís the point though, isnít it? The bigger picture is that itís there to help players during an unprecedented schedule. His position is entirely about Sheffield United, and also isnít doing his own players any favours.

The argument against is simply ďwe donít want teams bringing on good players against usĒ.
 
Unread 05-12-2020, 11:33 AM
utd99
 
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Thatís the point though, isnít it? The bigger picture is that itís there to help players during an unprecedented schedule. His position is entirely about Sheffield United, and also isnít doing his own players any favours.

The argument against is simply ďwe donít want teams bringing on good players against usĒ.
Is it an ďunprecedented scheduleĒ though? Nevilleís graphic from MNF would suggest not. Unprecedented times, unprecedented situation for sure, but I think itís become too easy to just say covid or short pre-season, then not give it much thought past that. Plenty of top level players over the years have coped with short breaks in WC or EC summers.

If Kloppís so worried about player welfare then rotate more, thatís all. Given the size of his squad he could absolutely guarantee that none of his players play more frequently than in any Ďnormalí season, so why is this all of a sudden BT and Skyís fault and not his?
 
Unread 05-12-2020, 01:51 PM
Dr Stranger
 
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Is it an ďunprecedented scheduleĒ though? Nevilleís graphic from MNF would suggest not. Unprecedented times, unprecedented situation for sure, but I think itís become too easy to just say covid or short pre-season, then not give it much thought past that. Plenty of top level players over the years have coped with short breaks in WC or EC summers.

If Kloppís so worried about player welfare then rotate more, thatís all. Given the size of his squad he could absolutely guarantee that none of his players play more frequently than in any Ďnormalí season, so why is this all of a sudden BT and Skyís fault and not his?
Didnít the players get 2 weeks off in the Ďsummerí? Then straight into the Euros next year. Usually alternate summers for that.

Plus this is all after a compacted schedule at the end of last season.

Itís a demand of games that we havenít seen in terms of season to season, even if it does break down to the usual ĎWednesday - Saturdayí dynamic now.


Whether clubs should rotate more misses the point imo. We have a proposal in front of us that gives a bit more leeway. Itís why it was brought in in the first place and nothing has really changed.

I think itís easy to be snide towards Klopp and suggest itís self serving, but itís far more self-serving the other way round.

If Sheffield United start getting injuries late in games because their players are run into the ground then Wilder will rightly get an earful.
 
Unread 05-12-2020, 02:47 PM
utd99
 
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Didnít the players get 2 weeks off in the Ďsummerí? Then straight into the Euros next year. Usually alternate summers for that.

Plus this is all after a compacted schedule at the end of last season.

Itís a demand of games that we havenít seen in terms of season to season, even if it does break down to the usual ĎWednesday - Saturdayí dynamic now.


Whether clubs should rotate more misses the point imo. We have a proposal in front of us that gives a bit more leeway. Itís why it was brought in in the first place and nothing has really changed.

I think itís easy to be snide towards Klopp and suggest itís self serving, but itís far more self-serving the other way round.

If Sheffield United start getting injuries late in games because their players are run into the ground then Wilder will rightly get an earful.
Liverpoolís game frequency is no different now than in previous seasons. Their break between last season and this was longer than ours because they were out of the CL latter stages; in fact they were in a better position to manage their break because they had the title wrapped up early and could easily have rested their best players. They chose not to.

This is not Klopp bashing; the man is simply trying to flog his best 11 to death with an added insurance policy. He has players in the squad who have virtually no minutes, he just doesnít want to use them voluntarily. Unlucky.
 
Unread 05-12-2020, 03:12 PM
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Liverpoolís game frequency is no different now than in previous seasons. Their break between last season and this was longer than ours because they were out of the CL latter stages; in fact they were in a better position to manage their break because they had the title wrapped up early and could easily have rested their best players. They chose not to.

This is not Klopp bashing; the man is simply trying to flog his best 11 to death with an added insurance policy. He has players in the squad who have virtually no minutes, he just doesnít want to use them voluntarily. Unlucky.
Yep. Shaqiri has 51 minutes of football this season across two sub appearances. He could easily be starting against your Burnleys, your Fulhams etc.
 
Unread 05-12-2020, 03:18 PM
utd99
 
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Yep. Shaqiri has 51 minutes of football this season across two sub appearances. He could easily be starting against your Burnleys, your Fulhams etc.
Exactly. Which is why I have no sympathy for the buck-toothed whiner. His antics are embarrassing.
 
Unread 05-12-2020, 03:23 PM
Big Norm
 
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Yep. Shaqiri has 51 minutes of football this season across two sub appearances. He could easily be starting against your Burnleys, your Fulhams etc.
f***ing hate that unnecessary use of the plural. Michael Owen does it all the time when he's a pundit.
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