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Originally Posted by Alan
Lefty as in soft arsed liberal shite. Ooh let's not doing anything drastic now piss weak mentality.
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cheers for clearing that up. now £#%&! off, there's a good chap.
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Originally Posted by Zorg
Whatever the reasons are, the fact is there simply *isn't* always someone to fill your seat, and it's a convenient excuse for not boycotting at least one match. Unless people are prepared to do this - and good on you denis, by the way - they might as well put their scarves away.
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it depends where you see the solution coming. throb's question, for all he poses it in a bit of an irritating and arse-about-tit manner, is relevant: who will own united. it's not going to be a fan-owned club, i'm afraid, because it's simply worth too much for the fans to buy in any kind of form that has even the vaguest resemblance to manchester united.
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There was a similar burgeoning debate when FC was formed and in the first few seasons - quite a lot was being written about it. Same with AFC Wimbledon. Let's not pretend the G&G is the first thing to provoke that debate - it's been going on in some quarters for five years, and some of us have been watching baffled recently as people seem to think this is a new thing. I don't know if living abroad you've missed all this, but to even insinuate that this recent thing has had more effect than FC is a joke. FC's creation raised the awareness of problems in football to a new level. The G&G protest could do the same - and I sincerely hope it does - but it's not there yet.
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i remember the start of fc and, honestly, the coverage was nothing like today, nor was the consciousness-raising in football as a whole. that's because of a lot of things, not least the fact that debt and other problems have come to the fore in england outside of our club. fc's creation wasn't even noticed by 90% of football fans outside of manchester and - imo - solutions won't be found in one club or one town, they'll be institutional at the level of the governing bodies. maybe that's where we differ most fundamentally.
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At the time, FC provided many an 'opening' for journos to write about football's problems, and there were countless articles then. The problem at the time was the more didn't come on board - firstly because non-league football didn't entice them (and fair enough on that score, each to their own etc.) and secondly, because United won trophies again. I support these protests, but I don't agree they're any more effective than anything that's gone before. Unless they lead somewhere, they'll mean nothing.
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part of that is certainly true. i admire a lot about fc and i've said before what i thought and did when it was formed. but i think there is a lot of self-indulgence about singing anti-glazer songs at gigg lane where, in all honesty, the glazers would probably like to see the rest of the protesters at ot.
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And at the end of it all, what's the final goal in all this? I suppose it depends on your point of view but for me, it is affordable football run by supporters, forging strong links with the community - which is exactly what clubs like AFC Wimbledon and FC United have set out to provide for years.
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that's fine, but it's not going to be premier league or champions league football. that is non-league and (maybe) lower league football and it's got a lot going for it. but don't kid yourself that it would be anything like the manchester united we've known all our lives.
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It's short-sighted to say that FC United haven't rippled the Glazers' consciousness. Clubs like FC are a long-term plan, and in any case, the club's community work is fantastic. This is why the council are favourable to the club's plans - they've been hugely impressed with the club's approach to the community, something which most clubs binned off years ago to chase commercialism. It's a lot more than a few hundred pissed up #@&%!heads singing songs, which is of course where the 'FC are so smug' crew turn up.
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but none of that has anything to do with rippling the glazer's consciousness
it's all well and good but i don't think the glazers have paid the slightest bit of attention to fc or anything they or their fans have done, are doing or will do in the future. a couple of players, maybe, fergie a touch. but not the glazers.
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Back to the 'visible protest' and Badge's original point, I still don't see what's wrong with inviting reds to gather - even if it is in Bury - when United aren't playing. If you think FC has achieved £#%&! all, well maybe this is a chance to prove otherwise. Those who say 'I thought FC was supposed to be a protest club', well, United aren't playing tomorrow, so go to Gigg Lane, wave your G&G scarf and it will be a protest club.
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nothing wrong at all but i think for most united fans (not me personally) fc is not a team they want to support any more than bury.
like i said, for me the best solution would be for non-fc united fans to go to gigg lane and for fc fans to go to ot next time. refusing to take part in protests that are visible and effective and growing strikes me as cutting your nose off to spite your face.
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