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Unread 06-03-2018, 11:17 PM
red in cumbria
 
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So if you bought an item for a lot of money that price would have no relevance to how well you'd expect it to work?

He didn't buy himself. But the signing's success clearly relates to how much you pay. Why else do we talk about bargains in football?
I think fees get talked about too much, the players themselves are not responsible for them at the end of the day.
 
Unread 06-03-2018, 11:31 PM
S/Side.Red
 
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Vardy got 24. Costa got 20. In the league.

Lukaku has as many in all comps as Vardy did all season.

He won't be far off that. Both those players praised for their seasons.

And We aren't winning the league.

Kane has been at spurs for years. As has Aguero. Both in sides much more cohesive than us, that play to their strengths.

Put them in our side and they score less. Put Rom in their's and he scores more.

Salah has been exceptional for Liverpool. Good for him. He'll get player of the year. The next level down to that isn't 'minimum'.

In their debut seasons

Kane 31
Vardy 5
Costa 21
Aguero 30

Lukaku is on 24 and counting

The standards are high indeed. Which is why nobody is saying it's exceptional or that it shouldn't be more.

It's not strange to demand more, it's strange to declare a 24 goal season in April as a minimum requirement.

[b]Rvp had 30 in a season we won the league. The return was lauded, as was he. Lukaku will be around the same and it'll be viewed as average. With far less experience than rvp.

I think that's slightly odd.
You'd make that comparison? RvP scoring 26 league goals to win us the title with what Lukaku has done?

In the middle this season he scored five league goals in four months. Compare teams and systems all we like, Aguero doesn't do that.

Btw minimum does indicate that it's somewhat acceptable tbf. I haven't called it a failure, just it's the minimum requirement. And if he does go on a run now and reach those sorts of figures, it'll have been a strong start and a strong end, but a poor spell in between.

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I think fees get talked about too much, the players themselves are not responsible for them at the end of the day.
Didn't say they were. I think managers take most of the stick for their failure/success.

But it's still relevant to how you judge a signing. When you break the club record for a striker, it increases scrutiny on the signing.
 
Unread 06-03-2018, 11:36 PM
AK14
 
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Didn't Van Persie go on a lengthy goal drought at some point during 12/13?
 
Unread 06-03-2018, 11:52 PM
S/Side.Red
 
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Didn't Van Persie go on a lengthy goal drought at some point during 12/13?
Across four months? No, pal.
 
Unread 06-03-2018, 11:55 PM
AK14
 
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Across four months? No, pal.
Not saying it was pal, just had a flashback of him going on a drought and (I think ) ending it against City?

Memory is shocking these days.
 
Unread 06-03-2018, 11:57 PM
LFOD
 
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Didn't Van Persie go on a lengthy goal drought at some point during 12/13?
Yep , but scored v the big boys almost every match. £#%&!ing great season.
 
Unread 06-03-2018, 11:59 PM
AK14
 
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Yep , but scored v the big boys almost every match. £#%&!ing great season.
Damn straight

He was absolute quality that season.
 
Unread 07-03-2018, 12:04 AM
S/Side.Red
 
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Damn straight

He was absolute quality that season.
Bottled it a bit against Madrid mind
 
Unread 07-03-2018, 08:54 AM
Billy Redface
 
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You'd make that comparison? RvP scoring 26 league goals to win us the title with what Lukaku has done?

In the middle this season he scored five league goals in four months. Compare teams and systems all we like, Aguero doesn't do that.

Btw minimum does indicate that it's somewhat acceptable tbf. I haven't called it a failure, just it's the minimum requirement. And if he does go on a run now and reach those sorts of figures, it'll have been a strong start and a strong end, but a poor spell in between.



Didn't say they were. I think managers take most of the stick for their failure/success.

But it's still relevant to how you judge a signing. When you break the club record for a striker, it increases scrutiny on the signing.
The comparison is based on nothing more than the numbers, which is the crux of the discussion. And they stack up to numbers that are heralded as outstanding seasons for outstanding players.


Is it an exceptional return? No. Is it better than a minimum requirement? Yes.

That's all.

Obviously you don't have to agree.
 
Unread 07-03-2018, 09:02 AM
dunk
 
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The comparison is based on nothing more than the numbers, which is the crux of the discussion. And they stack up to numbers that are heralded as outstanding seasons for outstanding players.


Is it an exceptional return? No. Is it better than a minimum requirement? Yes.

That's all.

Obviously you don't have to agree.
His minutes per goal stat this season is the same as Lingard’s.

He’s barely scraping minimum requirement for the role of sole striker playing just about every minute of every game tbh.
 
Unread 07-03-2018, 09:22 AM
Denis Irwell
 
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His minutes per goal stat this season is the same as Lingard’s.

He’s barely scraping minimum requirement for the role of sole striker playing just about every minute of every game tbh.


Tbf dunks, sole striker is about it. On his Todd with no support and often no general intent to score until we’ve tired the oppo out at around 75/80 mins. Transitional period and first season... he’s done pretty well. Just gone thru a lean spell as all strikers do (as some tiresome “contributors” keep on, and on, on etc about) but didn’t score enough in November, which is ever, ever so much more important than February, don’t you know. Hope the weathers not too nasty in Hemel Hempstead.
 
Unread 07-03-2018, 09:23 AM
andyroo
 
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£#%&!ers is right though, he is having a good season, for him. That's the point
 
Unread 07-03-2018, 10:15 AM
dunk
 
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Tbf dunks, sole striker is about it. On his Todd with no support and often no general intent to score until we’ve tired the oppo out at around 75/80 mins. Transitional period and first season... he’s done pretty well. Just gone thru a lean spell as all strikers do (as some tiresome “contributors” keep on, and on, on etc about) but didn’t score enough in November, which is ever, ever so much more important than February, don’t you know. Hope the weathers not too nasty in Hemel Hempstead.
Savage

He's done the bare minimum.
 
Unread 07-03-2018, 01:40 PM
Billy Redface
 
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His minutes per goal stat this season is the same as Lingard’s.

He’s barely scraping minimum requirement for the role of sole striker playing just about every minute of every game tbh.
Lingard's is excellent too. Which is why he's being praised this season.

I disagree. It stacks up with comparisons to other strikers in seasons considered successful, as stated above.
 
Unread 07-03-2018, 01:43 PM
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Lingard's is excellent too. Which is why he's being praised this season.

I disagree. It stacks up with comparisons to other strikers in seasons considered successful, as stated above.
 
Unread 07-03-2018, 02:18 PM
Billy Redface
 
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Unread 07-03-2018, 04:59 PM
£#%&! KFC
 
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if only we had signed Morata
 
Unread 07-03-2018, 05:36 PM
Chris Quayd
 
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if only we had signed Morata
Griezy was the one
 
Unread 08-03-2018, 11:11 AM
carrick_16
 
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He's got 23 goals in all competition for us this season.
 
Unread 08-03-2018, 11:13 AM
believe
 
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He's got 23 goals in all competition for us this season.
Cheers. Like him now.
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