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Again, for those like yourself, the point I'm making, or the question I'm asking: what makes Big Jim such a good option? Why are some portraying him as some kind of honest Joe (Jim) saviour? I understand why people don't want the Qataris. I even agree with most of the reasons. I don't understand why Ratcliffe is getting so much love. |
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Do people really think the state ownership of a handful of clubs is a good thing? Can’t get my head around that at all.
Us, city, Newcastle and psg battling it out for top honours every year. People are being naive if they think the owners of Newcastle and city won’t find ways of disproportionately investing in their clubs - otherwise, why on Earth have they bought them? It’s a terrible ownership model for football. The giddiness with which people on here are happily skipping off down that road is odd. |
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The absolute glee of some on here.... Ineos environmental issues .... they're a £#%&!ing chemical company, EA exceeding happen all the time ... Guess it aligns with over 300 public floggings last year for smiling in the street and stuff . |
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If it’s a straight shootout between them buying us or Liverpool I’m finding it difficult to want it to be Liverpool. I’m not pleased with myself, but there we go. I know the mob will pounce on that, but football as we knew it is dead and will never go back to what it was. |
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It was apparent pretty early on in the process that there would be a small number of realistic bidders, so I think that’s why some people have got behind him, as the best option from a limited few. I didn’t have a clue who he was beforehand tbh, but for me the fact he is local, and self-made, does matter and feels a positive. Maybe that is overly romantic, and I don’t expect everyone to be arsed about that, the same way a lot of our support don’t care anymore about having local lads in the team. |
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Let’s be honest, there’s no perfect bidder. There’s nobody who can afford us that doesn’t have skeletons in the closet, but Ratcliffe ticks the most ‘romantic’ boxes. As close to a fan buying the club as we can get in this day and age. He can afford it too. He’s just not as wealthy as Qatar. If he was wealthier than Qatar, would we even be debating that ethical balance? I doubt it. It would a resounding ‘Jim in’ shout. The sole reason to want Qatar is because they have endless money rather than just enough money. We don’t need endless money. We need ambition and to be run properly. |
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But we'll see. Or are likely we won't, as he's not going to win the bid. So what's next? Protests? Boycotts? Keep wringing our hands for the foreseeable? Or like Earsy says, do we just accept that football lost the plot many years ago and get on with it? For me, I can't see any alternative other than the latter option. Just hoping our fanbase never turns into the "aren't our owners just brilliant human beings?" that we've seen from City. It's not much, but about the best we can hope for. |
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I think it’s all moot. Glazers will sell to the highest bidder and that will be Qatar. The only sticking point might be conflict of interest or something like that, but you’d imagine they would have covered all that before bidding. |
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Also, seen nothing to suggest a winning Ineos bid will help with ambition and the club being run properly. Certainly hasn't emerged at Nice. Forced to choose, I'd definitely support his bid more than I would Qatar. I just don't think it's going to be wine and roses whoever buys us. |
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If we can somehow do that with something close to a self-made fan, I can understand people backing. Beyond that, yes, I do agree that it’s less of financial certainty that it’ll work, but I suppose the price we pay for our ethics (if you even consider it ethically preferable to be Team Jim). No sale comes without a big cost and plenty of concern. Handing the keys over always will. |
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To play devil's advocate a bit: 1) The list of potential buyers is so small, I don't think any bidding £5bn+ for a football club are going to exactly be shining beacons of righteousness 2) Ultimately, as long as we stay within the rules - i.e. spending money that we as a club generate - I don't have a huge problem with big investment. The likes of city, newcastle and to a certain extent chelsea are a joke precisely because it's the investment that's turned them into a 'big' club. We on the other hand have and always will be a big club, that's been hamstrung by the owners. there's a big difference between taking a tinpot outfit like city and ploughing 2bn into them to turn them into league winners, and taking a well established top 2/3 club in the world and re-investing. That said, there's no satisfactory outcomes in this. Anyway who has been following football since the 80's or before know it's a different game now. It's been completely sterilised. Enjoy whatever you can while you can because i'm fairly convinced it's going to £#%&! itself over even more in the next decade. Smaller clubs will die out and the ESL will happen in some form or another. |
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Qatar bad - brexit Jim good. Qatar is a top country, just like most of the middle East. |
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For Robbo, read Jude Bellingham. The best young English midfielder around. For those that say the Glazers let us spend, they seem to quickly forget the "no value in the market" era of Ronaldo out, Valencia and Owen in so they could smarten up the accounts to refinance. Jim's not going to clear the debt, he's going to reshuffle it on to Ineos initially then slowly drip it out of the club to get it back. He hasn't got the money to do the equivalent of donating the money. It'll be Glazer ownership by a thousand cuts. |
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The more ( speculation- granted ) I’m hearing,
Let top red Jim buy the vermin and get it paid back from the club, pay his investors some dividends, and boil their piss for obvious reasons We’ll have to live with the Arabs to clear the debt and then once on a level field with the Bert’s barcodes and PSG hope the authorities do their bit with FFP and the Western world the human rights |
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