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Originally Posted by utd99
It's only a mistake if there were legitimately something we could have done to keep him, other than using hindsight to have treated Pogba differently than every other academy player Fergie brought through in his career I mean.
As long as he was consistant, and your assessment that he was right in his approach to blooding youngsters is correct, then Pogba leaving was entirely about Pogba and his agent.
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His approach changed after the glazer takeover. I don't think he felt he could take risks with the results like he could before the debt was imposed. The Glazer's also changed the club's policy with regards financing the recruitment and wages for such players. Pogba wasn't the only young player to leave. Every youth player was pissed off and morale low amongst them, to the extent fergie had all their parents in for a talk. I think it's the Glazer's that were at fault, and it's them that's now paying the price for such shortsighted policy on youth.
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Originally Posted by Tumescent Throb
the average age of fergie's 13th title-winning side was 27.
that's including all 23 players (including giggs and scholes) who made 10 or more appearances.
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Maybe. But all the best players, the key ones, were old. The younger ones weren't up to the same standard. Again, down to finance, or a poor scouting policy.
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Originally Posted by Tumescent Throb
juventus is one of the great clubs in european football, nqat
but not sure how you work out they were on the rise. they'd been also-rans in eerie a for a couple of seasons and done nothing in europe for years.
hence why pogba could walk straight into their team.
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A team with midfielders that would have walked into our first team.
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Originally Posted by utd99
Well I have to disagree then. If you read the autobiographies of the co92 there is one theme that's constant, and that's the patience they had to display. Each were told their time would come, and each got their chance, but in every case it was later than they would have liked and inconsistant at first. If Pogba didn't like that then sorry, he was right to leave. But it's on him, not Fergie.
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They needed patience because the players in the first team at the time were £#%&!ing brilliant. And young. Hardly what pogba was facing in his way.
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Originally Posted by Billy Redface
Not sure about the last paragraph though. He ditched the likes of Hughes, Ince and Kanchelskis to accommodate what he knew was a special group that couldn't be ignored. Perhaps Pogba doesn't fall into that special category, but it does indicate that there is flexibility to Fergie's methods if the player and the timing is right. Particularly when he was younger. I think he was definitely 'safer' the older he got and his reluctance to throw kids in was part of that.
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I don't think Ferguson ever takes that risk back in 95 if the club was weighed down with the Glazer debt at the time. It would have been too risky given the need to maintain the success to service the debt.
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Originally Posted by Kangared
Agreed. This is down to the increased strength in the Premier league & the demand for instant success. How many of that class of 92 strode in & looked like they belonged from day one ?
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All of them. They had hype, and they lived up to it. Albeit their first games were league cup against lower opposition like port vale. They weren't like Darren fletcher who looked shit for his first 50 games.
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Originally Posted by Bunker Buster
Nowhere near, not even the best or longest transfer thread...
For the most expensive player in history...
Says something really....
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It says it's still July.
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Originally Posted by Grandadanne
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Originally Posted by £#%&! KFC
PAUL POGBA’S world-record £100million move from Juventus to Manchester United is being held up by a row over who is going to meet his agent’s £25m fee.
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This is exactly why we should pull this deal and help to bring Football back to reality.
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Agents fees are the tip of the iceberg when it comes to bringing football back to reality. They're just a secondary symptom of so much money swilling around. The idea United should make a noble stand for such a thing is laughable, given the people who own united.