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Unread 06-08-2020, 12:24 PM
ScarFace
 
Football 5 subs

 
Unread 06-08-2020, 12:30 PM
Coracao
 
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Good
 
Unread 06-08-2020, 12:38 PM
windy waffles
 
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No doubt 6 of the 9 clubs for it were the top six sides...

Glad it's been vetoed - gave bigger clubs an obvious advantage.
 
Unread 06-08-2020, 12:39 PM
Neo
 
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9 clubs were in favour of keeping the 5 subs %@#$&!s going.

Good riddance to that shite rule. Hope water breaks follow it into the dustbin, too.
 
Unread 06-08-2020, 12:45 PM
NedKelly
 
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No doubt 6 of the 9 clubs for it were the top six sides...

Glad it's been vetoed - gave bigger clubs an obvious advantage.
City in particular. Could take the piss with all the midfielders/attackers they have.
 
Unread 06-08-2020, 12:57 PM
redhegemony
 
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No doubt 6 of the 9 clubs for it were the top six sides...

Glad it's been vetoed - gave bigger clubs an obvious advantage.
not obviously

https://www.theguardian.com/football...nd-here-is-why
 
Unread 06-08-2020, 01:07 PM
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[i] in the Bundesliga, for instance, the top four teams used 4.03 substitutes per game, while the bottom four teams used 4.59 substitutes per game[i]

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Unread 06-08-2020, 01:08 PM
windy waffles
 
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Absolute %@#$&!s.
 
Unread 06-08-2020, 01:09 PM
Coracao
 
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What a load of shite
 
Unread 06-08-2020, 01:10 PM
NedKelly
 
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It’s the quality of player though. Look at us in the last few games of the season; had to make a few changes and Christ the drop off in quality was stark. It benefits teams like City who have 2/3 quality players in almost every position. Across an entire season that difference would show.
 
Unread 06-08-2020, 01:11 PM
windy waffles
 
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It’s the quality of player though. Look at us in the last few games of the season; had to make a few changes and Christ the drop off in quality was stark. It benefits teams like City who have 2/3 quality players in almost every position. Across an entire season that difference would show.
Exactly.

How anyone can even argue this is beyond me.
 
Unread 06-08-2020, 01:21 PM
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5 sub rule did us little to no favors in any of the important games b/c we played our best XI everytime....only time it helped was being able to take 5 of those guys off when having a comfortable lead and being able to rest them.

they talk about FFP and how it was set up to help balance the gap....the 5 sub rule without question only favored the top sides b/c typically they should have more depth unfortunately that isn't our case b/c our attacking depth is shockingly poor
 
Unread 06-08-2020, 01:28 PM
Sparky***
 
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some idiots on twitter saying that sticking with 3 subs will 'help the smaller teams'.

yes it's really helped over the last 3 years as the title winners clock up 100 points every £#%&!ing year.
 
Unread 06-08-2020, 01:52 PM
redhegemony
 
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Absolute %@#$&!s.
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What a load of shite
Number doesn't matter it's the relative gap between the players that does. City are an exception in midfield but not in defence. How does 5 subs more than 3 help Arsenal or Tottenham or even us - we don't have massive unused talent on the bench.

As per last night Lingard instead of Bruno. Everyone moaning about the paucity of talent in our squad and lack of depth so how is being able to bring on two more players who aren't up to it such an advantage?
 
Unread 06-08-2020, 01:53 PM
Dr Stranger
 
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Good.

Shit idea.

Stop the stupid drinks break too.
 
Unread 06-08-2020, 01:56 PM
Coracao
 
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Number doesn't matter it's the relative gap between the players that does. City are an exception in midfield but not in defence. How does 5 subs more than 3 help Arsenal or Tottenham or even us - we don't have massive unused talent on the bench.

As per last night Lingard instead of Bruno. Everyone moaning about the paucity of talent in our squad and lack of depth so how is being able to bring on two more players who aren't up to it such an advantage?
Do you really need it explaining to you how it is an advantage for the bigger clubs to change half of their outfield players over the course of a season ??
 
Unread 06-08-2020, 01:57 PM
dunk
 
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Should still be able to name 9-12 subs imo.
 
Unread 06-08-2020, 01:59 PM
redhegemony
 
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No doubt 6 of the 9 clubs for it were the top six sides...

Glad it's been vetoed - gave bigger clubs an obvious advantage.
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It’s the quality of player though. Look at us in the last few games of the season; had to make a few changes and Christ the drop off in quality was stark. It benefits teams like City who have 2/3 quality players in almost every position. Across an entire season that difference would show.
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Exactly.

How anyone can even argue this is beyond me.
You've just contradicted yourself you plum it's not the number from 3-5 that matters per se but the quality of the players. We kept playing the same XI because the rest weren't that good so how does bringing on 2 extra crap players of West Brom standard help

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Do you really need it explaining to you how it is an advantage for the bigger clubs to change half of their outfield players over the course of a season ??
Yes please. we're a big club and came third how has it helped us more than any smaller club?

Why has Maguire played every game?
 
Unread 06-08-2020, 02:37 PM
Coracao
 
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Yes please. we're a big club and came third how has it helped us more than any smaller club?

Why has Maguire played every game?
1. It encourages even more stockpiling of top level players by clubs in Europe. A situation which has led to some of the leagues becoming a joke.

2. The better sides will be able to manage the fitness levels of their players to the nth degree, giving them an even greater advantage over the course of a season. But...the lesser teams made more subs ! Wahhhh! The top sides will often be in positions to make changes when games are already won. The lesser sides are often in the position where they are trying to get back in a game. It affects the kind of subs you can make hugely. Whereas a top side may bring off their better players on a regular basis, the lesser sides are having to play theirs for the vast majority of minutes out of necessity.

3. You can have the benefit of changing 5 out of the front 6. Links back to #1. Few players having an off day? No dramas. Lets bring on those 5 £40m+ players who are sat on the bench. Surely everyone can't have an off day...

As for your point about Maguire, I think it is widely accepted that Utd's squad is currently limited in options. Something that will likely be addressed over the next couple of years. And the feeling was we had to win every game.
 
Unread 06-08-2020, 02:44 PM
redhegemony
 
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1. It encourages even more stockpiling of top level players by clubs in Europe. A situation which has led to some of the leagues becoming a joke.

2. The better sides will be able to manage the fitness levels of their players to the nth degree, giving them an even greater advantage over the course of a season. But...the lesser teams made more subs ! Wahhhh! The top sides will often be in positions to make changes when games are already won. The lesser sides are often in the position where they are trying to get back in a game. It affects the kind of subs you can make hugely. Whereas a top side may bring off their better players on a regular basis, the lesser sides are having to play theirs for the vast majority of minutes out of necessity.

3. You can have the benefit of changing 5 out of the front 6. Links back to #1. Few players having an off day? No dramas. Lets bring on those 5 £40m+ players who are sat on the bench. Surely everyone can't have an off day...

As for your point about Maguire, I think it is widely accepted that Utd's squad is currently limited in options. Something that will likely be addressed over the next couple of years. And we had to win every game.
Hang on you said how it IS not how it COULD BE in the future. And you last point makes my argument we are the biggest club in the PL but it doesn't help us because our squad is thin. Yet we've spent millions.

It's not clear that all your maybes will happen. We have a £50m plus midfielder on the bench but that doesn't help us much.

So actually it's not true that 5 subs will automatically help 'bigger' clubs.
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