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What has been proven in the last 20 years is that you can’t buy continued success. Blackburn, Leeds, Newcastle and Chelsea all tried it and look what’s happened to all of them, what you can do is use money well and build a team and set up for long term success and that’s all City have done just like United did. I know it keeps you up at night worrying about where city get their money from but o couldn’t give a flying £#%&!. I actually don’t think anyone cares it’s just the fact that’s it’s City who’s benefiting from it. Like as been pointed out recently no one cared when Madrid did it. FFP was brought in to stop teams going in to bankruptcy that’s it. |
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The keeper is the best example: Didn’t like Hart, got Bravo for about £40m. Didn’t like him, got Ederson for £60m. No issues. No making do. Just a new keeper on demand. If that was us, we’d be stuck with Bravo to this day. And the fact it’s the same manager spending, our spending is loads of managers correcting other managers/Woodward’s mistakes. A decent spend for Ten Hag over 5 windows and we’re a different animal. |
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And that’s without all the off the books stuff. As I said, you’ve no idea what you’re on about. You look at published totals and think it tells the story, it doesn’t. Cancelo fell out with Pep and was summarily £#%&!ed off a month later, on loan to a CL rival. We couldn’t/wouldn’t do that in a million years, the manager would get it first because the player is worth too much to the accountants. It’s why no £#%&!er ever leaves. |
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Apologies, I forgot you had the inside knowledge of everything football related. Funny how it seems to be only you that knows all this stuff a bit like you know everything going on inside United.
I’ll leave it now and go on in the hope that the manager spends his 200 million this summer on decent players ( hopefully half of that on Kane) while you keep banging on about City being cheats and how the entire of world of sport is against us like a 12 year old. |
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Like it or lump it, City have bought and sold well. That’s all there is to it. They’ve got the same set up as Barcelona did in the 00s, who similarly bought and sold well. Yes, Guardiola has had a few big money transfers that underwhelm or flat out fail (see: Grealish; Ibrahimovic), but by and large they’ve got it very right because the football director & manager there are extremely good at their jobs and are backed financially at the same time.
I was in the books that thought Guardiola was over-rated off the back of his first couple of seasons at City, but he’s effectively rebuilt sides as Fergie would while getting decent dollar for players that are broken or mediocre (taking in c £130 million for Sterling / Jesus / Zinchenko for example) and has somehow had likes of Stones and Akanji as components of a top bracket defence. |
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United on the other hand absolutely have not. This is evident right through the club, nut most obvious Ed Woodward and now whoever is in charge of the football side. This has followed into the transfer side with their inability to sell players or get fees for players and ridiculous contracts to protect the value of players on the asset lists. All of this is well documented and reported on btw. It manifests itself in buying players in that the scouting systems and people making decisions are lax, again heavily reported on, and instructions from Joel etc. to not be buying ‘potential’ but ready made players wherever possible leading to us missing out on a host of talent. Then there’s the first team transfers, 2 examples for you, Ole wanted Grealish, we were quoted £80m, we bought Beek instead. A year later City dropped £100m on Grealish as he had a release clause. United couldn’t pay £100m cash so were never in the race and are instead stuck with Beek. But they spent money right? United need to get the terms they can work with, which limits what they can buy and where from, City pay what it takes to get it done. We end up overpaying for 3rd/4th/5th choices to get the required terms and get stuck in itv said player because we can’t take the loss when it’s time to sell. It’s all very obvious with the slightest investigation or thought tbh. |
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Everything you say might be true but you completely negate it with the Beek analogy, because this has been my point all along. It’s happened since Ferguson left and it’s why I completely ignore all the other stuff.
Nearly every player has gone through the same process. Not one person thought Beek was a bad signing, people still thinks he’s a good signing but the minute they go to shit they’re Woodward signings or a representation of the glazer regime. Or if they turn out half decent they’re a masterstroke of management, until they turn to shit and they’re Woodward again. Ps doesnt everyone think Grealish is shit nowadays? |
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The point was about backing the manager re: Grealish and how far the budget allows them to go in doing that.
Due to the rank bad management since the Glazers too over every manager has had shite foisted on them as a result of budget constraints. The fact we’ve spent figures similar to City in that period is irrelevant because we’re operating on different playing fields as a result if how the clubs are financially operated. We’ve been in ‘take a punt’ territory for too long because we’re not doing the work behind the scenes to the required standard and because if/when we do identify the right players (be it manager or scouts or football director) we’re hamstrung by finances. |
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Anyway… I’m not sure what your angle is here. Defending the owners? Defending Woodward? Chastising the managers? Whichever, it’s horribly misplaced, as usual. Edit: sorry, you’ve reminded me of another example; Mou quoted as saying he wanted to buy VvD but the owners £#%&!ed him saying £70m was too expensive, only to then buy Maguire for £80m 12-18 months later. Bad management and budgetary constraints. There are countless examples like this. And to go back to the original point, had City bought Maguire and he had performed as he has here, he’d have been on loan at Valencia 18 months ago just as they did with Mangala, United can not do that. |
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