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Originally Posted by Sparky***

Not very well though were they

As well as the players he had were capable. Point is it didn’t take months to coach. It was instant. He just made them fitter over time and added better players.

Originally Posted by utd99

You don’t know that.

I do

I haven’t seen Klopp buy 11 players, stick them all on the bench while continuing with Brendon Rodgers players and whining that he can’t go out and buy another 11 willy nilly. Our managers were supported; however, in the real world, anyone who employs and supports you is entitled to ask at some point when we can expect some improvement.

Why would a manager be reluctant to play players he chose?

Besides, there’s more to supporting a manager than buying some players.

Originally Posted by utd99

It’s reasonable for two or three buys not to work out, but all of them? The simple fact is that we were worse after two and a half years, and almost a whole side bought than we were at the beginning; at what point is it reasonable for any employer to ask where their investment has gone?

We were 6th when mouirnho took over. We were second at the point woodward decided to not back his plans.

Originally Posted by dunk

What leeway?

If he was progressing as he has at Liverpool he'd have been left alone.

8th, 4th, 4th.

Originally Posted by dunk

I’m not sure our owners would’ve baulked at him spending less than we have, including signing the likes of Matip and Milner for free.

Yeah, proper Woodward signings.

There’s a reason klopp told woodward to £#%&! off.

The implication that all we needed to go deep in the league and Europe and have a team we can actually be proud of was to back the increasingly desperate Mourinho uncritically is preposterous.

We're right to question Woodward's motives for blocking him, or his credibility. So we should expect the same rigour of his appointment in the first place.

They were never on the same page and Woodward changes with the wind because he is weak and has no idea about football. Mourinho will never change and that £#%&!ing #@&%! thinking he could control him is laughable.

By the same token backing Ole uncritically is going to be suicidal. So will some happy clappy idea of surrounding him with a Freggle old boys club.

As for Klopp he memorably said he wouldn't spend what we do even if he could. It played well with the gallery but he was talking out his arse knowingly, in a similar way to what Freggle would very often do. Of course now he's got big money he's spending it.

Originally Posted by Ethers

Over a dozen posts arguing about Mourinho’s theoretical signing of Steven £#%&!ing Caulker.

Missed this place.

Is Steven Caulker available?

Cheeky bid?

Klopp finishing 4th is not really important. It was clear to see the path they were on, the linearity of the progress, the coherence of squad building. Mou finishing second has been used to justify his time here, but it was meaningless, just as you could see how Liverpool were developing, it was also obvious that our position was not indicative of any true progress, and that his team already needed to be shredded and built from scratch again. So, we were 2 years into his reign and pretty much in the exact same position as when he started.

Add having 2 years of experiencing the Mou toxicity and there was very little to hold on to as a positive from his first 2 years here.

Originally Posted by Tiberian

Klopp finishing 4th is not really important. It was clear to see the path they were on, the linearity of the progress, the coherence of squad building. Mou finishing second has been used to justify his time here, but it was meaningless, just as you could see how Liverpool were developing, it was also obvious that our position was not indicative of any true progress, and that his team already needed to be shredded and built from scratch again. So, we were 2 years into his reign and pretty much in the exact same position as when he started.

Add having 2 years of experiencing the Mou toxicity and there was very little to hold on to as a positive from his first 2 years here.

Facts. Well put.

Originally Posted by Tiberian

Klopp finishing 4th is not really important. It was clear to see the path they were on, the linearity of the progress, the coherence of squad building. Mou finishing second has been used to justify his time here, but it was meaningless, just as you could see how Liverpool were developing, it was also obvious that our position was not indicative of any true progress, and that his team already needed to be shredded and built from scratch again. So, we were 2 years into his reign and pretty much in the exact same position as when he started.

Add having 2 years of experiencing the Mou toxicity and there was very little to hold on to as a positive from his first 2 years here.

I wasn’t comparing Klopp to Mourinho. I was answering a post that said Klopp would succeed here. I don’t think he would because the owners would have made his job too difficult and wouldn’t allow him the chance to make mistakes and put them right like the Liverpool board have.

The same reasons I don’t think Ole will ultimately succeed here.

https://youtu.be/ZPF5kwJIst4

Originally Posted by AK14

I wasn’t comparing Klopp to Mourinho. I was answering a post that said Klopp would succeed here. I don’t think he would because the owners would have made his job too difficult and wouldn’t allow him the chance to make mistakes and put them right like the Liverpool board have.

The same reasons I don’t think Ole will ultimately succeed here.

Again, what mistakes?

Originally Posted by dunk

Again, what mistakes?

If Ole signs Steven Caulker I'm going to Carrington with a bedsheet.

Originally Posted by andyroo

If Ole signs Steven Caulker I'm going to Carrington with a bedsheet.

Catastrophic signing tbf. Must've cost the Earth, not sure how their budget could stand it. Shame they couldn't £#%&! him off when they realised he was shit.. not like us and *insert name here*

Originally Posted by dunk

Again, what mistakes?

So you don’t think he’s made any mistakes in his 4 years there...

You have a very odd obsession with defending Klopp’s time at Liverpool.

Originally Posted by dunk

Catastrophic signing tbf. Must've cost the Earth, not sure how their budget could stand it. Shame they couldn't £#%&! him off when they realised he was shit.. not like us and *insert name here*

At least they’ll make a shit load this summer selling Klaven eh pal.

Originally Posted by Bunker Buster

https://youtu.be/ZPF5kwJIst4

Sell him before Lukaku and Sanchez

Hoping Ole does a Fergie and backs talent!

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

Sell him before Lukaku and Sanchez

Hoping Ole does a Fergie and backs talent!

First out the door mate....

Originally Posted by Bunker Buster

First out the door mate....

Had secretly forgotten how beautiful that strike at 2:30 was

Originally Posted by AK14

Christ...

Imagine defending a Liverpool manager this much

It’s actually an attack on our managers, but there you go..

Originally Posted by dunk

It’s actually an attack on our managers, but there you go..

Course it is pal...

Funnily enough though my point is that our board is shit and wouldn’t allow a manager like Klopp work like he is at Liverpool.

You keep defending your boy though.

Can you two PM Each other ?

Originally Posted by AK14

Course it is pal...

Funnily enough though my point is that our board is shit and wouldn’t allow a manager like Klopp work like he is at Liverpool.

You keep defending your boy though.

My point is that a manager has to earn the boards trust, work within the boundaries they’re given and make the best of it. He has done all those things, but you can’t tell because he’s a success. Ours have done dnone of those things.

Originally Posted by dunk

My point is that a manager has to earn the boards trust, work within the boundaries they’re given and make the best of it. He has done all those things, but you can’t tell because he’s a success. Ours have done dnone of those things.

Each boards boundaries to work within are different, It’s why I think Klopp would have failed here. He wouldn’t have put up with a CEO signing players for their marketability for starters.

Let’s not forget Klopp turned us down...

He knew himself it wouldn’t have worked for him here.