Ole

Originally Posted by windy waffles

Ferguson was proven and has success elsewhere.

Ole was meant to be a caretaker until Pochettino joined in the sunmer until the club £#%&!ed that up.

That's a totally different argument from clubs not having to pass through a period of transition

You're all over the place son

Originally Posted by windy waffles

I've not once said he should be sacked btw. Out of his depth and tactically clueless, yes, but, agree, getting rid would be catastrophic.

I see. In that case we are pretty much on the same page then. Not sure he’s clueless so much as I’m not sure what else he could do in certain games with such a poor squad, but I have huge concerns about the fact we seem to lack a style of play at all.

In regards to the transitional period, Klopp HAD implemented his style of football within a couple of months IIRC. They weren’t pulling it off like they are now, but the whole “heavy metal football” thing was there from the off.

Originally Posted by NedKelly

Perhaps. But here we are. Had we found another manager, then great, we’d have a summer for him to implement something and we wouldn’t be worse off for it. However, Ole is here and the consequences of getting rid of him now could be disastrous. I can’t think of a manager in world football who would be able to do much better with what we have, and the ones that could make a difference, I’m not sure would come at this point, not until next summer at least.

This. We're gonna have to give somebody 3 full years and back them. May aswell be Ole. Would be miles better watching him lift a title than Pochettino or £#%&!ing tuchel

Woodward decided to give OGS the job full time as a "fan pleasing" measure after PSG, as that is the sort of grand empty gesture he specialises in.

Originally Posted by red in cumbria

Woodward decided to give OGS the job full time as a "fan pleasing" measure after PSG, as that is the sort of grand empty gesture he specialises in.

You can't possibly know that. i really wish people would stop passing off pure conjecture as fact. Show me how many people weren't in the 'He's got to get the job now' camp at the time of his appointment. £#%&!ing hindsight Harrys.

Originally Posted by Sparky***

The only things we've seen similar to this over the last 35 years are:

1) When Fergie took over in '86, briefly steadied the place and we finished 2nd in his first full season in '88. However he then got down to the business of stripping out the squad of all the old heads and we quickly plummeted down the table. Finished 11th in 1989 and then 13th in 1990, Just 5 points clear of relegation where you saw the now infamous "3 years and it's still crap tara" flag..FA cup win saved his job.

2) When Van Gaal came in post moyes and stripped away all the old guard leaving us in a similar state squad-wise as we are now. He finished 5th, won the FA Cup but was still binned off halfway through.

It's shit but the club really have to ride this one out and back the manager. We can't keep starting over every other year. It's gonna take 2-3 years to sort this and it needs to be done now.

Yep. Sparky is on fire atm.

Well I was pretty consistent in saying "wait until the summer" even when our winning run was at its height. Only sensible thing to do IMO.

Originally Posted by NedKelly

Well, I think the point being made is that we’ve taken the less patient route several times over the past few years and it’s only set us back. You do realise that by sacking Ole it puts as back at square one again?

we could do with the 10 game bounce we'll get by sacking him tbh.....

Originally Posted by utd99

Show me how many people weren't in the 'He's got to get the job now' camp at the time of his appointment. £#%&!ing hindsight Harrys.

we all were....apart from Marlo, it greatly pains me to say it but he £#%&!ing nailed it while the rest of us were giddy @#%&!s

Originally Posted by £#%&! KFC

we all were....apart from Marlo, it greatly pains me to say it but he £#%&!ing nailed it while the rest of us were giddy @#%&!s

It seems as though we were all willing to put up with the pain of a re-build until it came to actually experiencing the pain. Don't get me wrong, Solskjaer needs to look at himself just like everyone else, and he might not end up being the right man for the job, but would you have wanted to walk into 5 years of the van Gaal, Mourinho and Woodward show and have to turn it around in a matter of months?

There's just no way to know how this will all pan out, so we have to give the man a chance.

Originally Posted by utd99

It seems as though we were all willing to put up with the pain of a re-build until it came to actually experiencing the pain. Don't get me wrong, Solskjaer needs to look at himself just like everyone else, and he might not end up being the right man for the job, but would you have wanted to walk into 5 years of the van Gaal, Mourinho and Woodward show and have to turn it around in a matter of months?

There's just no way to know how this will all pan out, so we have to give the man a chance.

sadly mate we know how it pans out.....he was awful at Cardiff he's completely out of his depth here .....I was desperate for him to be given the job after his first 10 games it seemed like the last year of the shite under Maureen had all been lifted and we were on the right path....but he's not up to it and it's painful to watch him after every depressing performance now ....I don't want him to be sacked I do want him to walk away

Originally Posted by £#%&! KFC

sadly mate we know how it pans out.....he was awful at Cardiff he's completely out of his depth here .....I was desperate for him to be given the job after his first 10 games it seemed like the last year of the shite under Maureen had all been lifted and we were on the right path....but he's not up to it and it's painful to watch him after every depressing performance now ....I don't want him to be sacked I do want him to walk away

Are you not optimistic about the players he's brought in? It's only three, and they've only played half a dozen league games, but he's already blown the last two managers out of of the water in terms of successful (or at least optimistic) signings, so why is hard to imagine how much better things will be if he gets 8 or 9 of them in? People who can actually follow a game plan and haven't blagged their way into the team by virtue of how bad everyone before them were.

I look at these performances and I'm beginning to conclude that the vast majority of them are simply incapable of following direction no matter who's giving it. is that Ole or them?

He needs time and faith. I think the whole club does.

Originally Posted by £#%&! KFC

sadly mate we know how it pans out.....he was awful at Cardiff he's completely out of his depth here .....I was desperate for him to be given the job after his first 10 games it seemed like the last year of the shite under Maureen had all been lifted and we were on the right path....but he's not up to it and it's painful to watch him after every depressing performance now ....I don't want him to be sacked I do want him to walk away

Originally Posted by Chris Quayd

What is it people are expecting from a team with young at lb, the worst midfield in the top 10 and one out of form striker with no service? You agree the team is shit but then expect what exactly?

Have to admit to feeling surprised at the ire directed towards Ole. This struggle was inevitable, his intent to change the make up of the squad was pretty obviously not about immediate success this season, but more about developing a few young players, freeing up squad space, working towards a true forward path for the club. It is not going to be pretty and the timelines are not really lining up ideally, guys like Greenwood, Gomes, Garner, the real talent, are not quite physically ready for the PL, necessitating more use of Matic and Mata than we would hope for.

Talk of sacking Ole based on results is premature, you can have legitimate concerns over his tactical/coaching acumen but this stage was necessary. There seems to be a positioning war going on between Utd, Arsenal and Chelsea, all look to be going all in on youth and development, almost waiting for City and Liverpool to drop off a little before making a true push.

Originally Posted by rubbernecker

Originally Posted by utd99

I don’t think this subject is even real; it has to be fan driven because even Ed Woodward can’t be that inept. In the ludicrous scenario that Solskjaer is removed from his position now

Not just now, but anytime before Christmas 2020.

When we run out of managers and players to blame, there’s only one person left

Hence the director of football or whatever the £#%&! it will be, for woodward to hide behind and take any future blame instead of him.

Originally Posted by rubbernecker

It's not panic

It's knee jerk slapped arses bitching without a clue of the realities of moving through a period of transition and rebuilding

I think most of these people would benefit from reading a strange kind of glory by dumphy, to get an insight into what goes on. Especially the section on the managers after busby as it’s similar to the situation we are in now. It’s probably part of the reason I’m prepared to give a new manager a few years before passing judgement, and don’t automatically blame them for anything early in their tenure, as we really have no clue who’s really to blame.

Besides that, it’s also the best book I’ve read about united.

Originally Posted by windy waffles

Transition and rebuilding? It's been a transitional period for almost six years ffs. Do other teams have transitional periods? Do they £#%&!.

This suggests you don’t know what a transition is.

Originally Posted by £#%&! KFC

Exactly...transition....£#%&! off

What was it in 1986-91?

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

Not just now, but anytime before Christmas 2020.



Hence the director of football or whatever the £#%&! it will be, for woodward to hide behind and take any future blame instead of him.



I think most of these people would benefit from reading a strange kind of glory by dumphy, to get an insight into what goes on. Especially the section on the managers after busby as it’s similar to the situation we are in now. It’s probably part of the reason I’m prepared to give a new manager a few years before passing judgement, and don’t automatically blame them for anything early in their tenure, as we really have no clue who’s really to blame.

Besides that, it’s also the best book I’ve read about united.



This suggests you don’t know what a transition is.



What was it 86-91?

one of the best football books ever imo

Originally Posted by windy waffles

Ferguson was proven and has success elsewhere.

Ole was meant to be a caretaker until Pochettino joined in the sunmer until the club £#%&!ed that up.

No one is proven where managing united is concerned. And fergie’s record counted for £#%&! all after 4 years of shite. 4 £#%&!ing years. Without question he’d have been sacked in his second full season in the current era.

Originally Posted by red in cumbria

Well I was pretty consistent in saying "wait until the summer" even when our winning run was at its height. Only sensible thing to do IMO.

You couldn’t wait for summer. Wait for summer to then appoint someone else and most of the shite that have left probably wouldn’t have, and £#%&! knows who we’d have signed. Ole or not, the new manager had to have been decided on and agreed around March or early April.

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

I think most of these people would benefit from reading a strange kind of glory by dumphy, to get an insight into what goes on. Especially the section on the managers after busby as it’s similar to the situation we are in now. It’s probably part of the reason I’m prepared to give a new manager a few years before passing judgement, and don’t automatically blame them for anything early in their tenure, as we really have no clue who’s really to blame.

Besides that, it’s also the best book I’ve read about united.

?

Never read it but will put on my reading list .Ta

Originally Posted by utd99

It seems as though we were all willing to put up with the pain of a re-build until it came to actually experiencing the pain.

I’ve lost count over the past few years the number of posters who’ve said they’d take being shit for a while so long as the club went back to the United way, sacked off the shit, went with the younger players and actually built something. Apparently, they were full of shit and just want a quick fix.

I’m sure mourinho could have got a 0-0 draw yesterday by parking the bus, as ole probably could have. Doesn’t really help us develop what we want in the long term though. No doubt if ole shit himself and went more negative to get the short term results, as van gaal and mourinho did, he’d also be criticised for that. People need to decide what they actually want.

but would you have wanted to walk into 5 years of the van Gaal, Mourinho and Woodward show and have to turn it around in a matter of months?

Some people seem to expect it to take just that long.

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

I’ve lost count over the past few years the number of posters who’ve said they’d take being shit for a while so long as the club went back to the United way, sacked off the shit, went with the younger players and actually built something. Apparently, they were full of shit and just want a quick fix.

I’m sure mourinho could have got a 0-0 draw yesterday by parking the bus, as ole probably could have. Doesn’t really help us develop what we want in the long term though. No doubt if ole shit himself and went more negative to get the short term results, as van gaal and mourinho did, he’d also be criticised for that. People need to decide what they actually want.



Some people seem to expect it to take just that long.

I've said it before that half the big girl's blouses on here would be nodding dogs to Alan Hansen's kids' comments nowadays