PAID: Manchester United v Arsenal Official Match Thread 26-09-2019

Originally Posted by utd99

You’re not doing yourself any favours here tbh.

Pereira had a good game. Yeah, ok...

Mug.

Stick to the contradicting posts over multiple threads pal, it really makes you look like you know what you’re talking about...

Originally Posted by utd99

You’re not doing yourself any favours here tbh.

Pereira had a good game. Yeah, ok...

Mug.

Pererria summed us up: worked hard, preserved, spirited.... but low on quality.

I'm encouraged by some showing character and trying to be positive and step up (James, Mctom, perrera, tuanzebe) but that doesn't disguise a lack of quality.

Both sides were poor last night and its the worst Arsenal/United sides in years.

Originally Posted by Clownbones

Pererria summed us up: worked hard, preserved, spirited.... but low on quality.

I'm encouraged by some showing character and trying to be positive and step up (James, Mctom, perrera, tuanzebe) but that doesn't disguise a lack of quality.

Both sides were poor last night.

Yep, fair point.

We’re not all of a sudden going to see world class performances from these players because none of them actually are world class. So if one of them has a decent game because of the things you mentioned above, there’s nothing wrong with saying they had decent games.

People expecting us to turn this around over night are crazy.

Originally Posted by Sparky***

Fergie 86. Went from 11th, to 2nd, then 11th, then 13th......

Not just a rebuild, but to change the culture of the dressing room. Very important point. Players are gonna be pissed off, others are gonna want away.

We need a few transfer windows.

This is gonna take YEARS mate. Might be quicker if we get new owners who decided to actually let us spend the full force of what we turn over...

...resigned to it now mate. It's gonna be a long winter.

Would be easier to take years if it was being invested into a young highly talented manager with a vision.

We're just going to be back at square one in 2 years or however long it takes.

Originally Posted by AK14

Yep, fair point.

We’re not all of a sudden going to see world class performances from these players because none of them actually are world class. So if one of them has a decent game because of the things you mentioned above, there’s nothing wrong with saying they had decent games.

People expecting us to turn this around over night are crazy.

I don't think anyone is expecting that.

I'm loathe to criticise too much because

A) we're working hard.

B) we're trying to be positive and win games.

Some are working hard, but not showing quality because they're shit (perrera, young, fred)

Others can and should do more in terms of quality (Rashford, lingard, mata).

Our decision-making winds me up. Just some really bad choices in the final third at each end costing us badly.

We've seen a lack of composure or poor choices costs us dearly in more or less every game we've dropped and we're not yet good enough to pass those chances up.

We're a team that is relying on very fine margins right now. We could have won or lost every game we've played in this season if the balance shifted ever so slightly.

Originally Posted by Lazlo Panaflex

Would be easier to take years if it was being invested into a young highly talented manager with a vision.

We're just going to be back at square one in 2 years or however long it takes.

Ole is good for the rebuild. Hard one for the fans to turn against. Then maybe bring in a new manager. But like everyone’s saying, that’s two years down the line.

Originally Posted by shenwen

Ole is good for the rebuild. Hard one for the fans to turn against. Then maybe bring in a new manager. But like everyone’s saying, that’s two years down the line.

Ole won't last the season. He will get more time than people usually would, if this worst start to a season in god knows how many years carries on, he will be out of the door.

Originally Posted by windy waffles

Ole won't last the season. He will get more time than people usually would, if this worst start to a season in god knows how many years carries on, he will be out of the door.

If we lose our next two league games I'm not sure how he can survive

Originally Posted by £#%&! KFC

If we lose our next two league games I'm not sure how he can survive

Carrying on this way is worse for United than even the worst case scenario of giving him time. We cannot keep doing this.

Originally Posted by £#%&! KFC

If we lose our next two league games I'm not sure how he can survive

That's because in your head you've sacked him already. He'll be here right through the season. Get used to it.

Lack of quality and injuries leading to a huge dip in confidence are the current problems, this season was always going to be a huge struggle and up and down without suffering injuries to 3 of our 4 forwards in the first month.

Originally Posted by dunk

That's because in your head you've sacked him already. He'll be here right through the season. Get used to it.

Lack of quality and injuries leading to a huge dip in confidence are the current problems, this season was always going to be a huge struggle and up and down without suffering injuries to 3 of our 4 forwards in the first month.

What if we are 11th/12th in the new year?

No chance he stays.

Originally Posted by windy waffles

What if we are 11th/12th in the new year?

No chance he stays.

We're 11th/12th in the new year.

He'll be here for the season regardless. Minimum.

I don't understand people calling for his head. The problems are clear and not of his making. Mindless rhetoric such as 'he's out of his depth' from people with absolutely no clue what they're talking about is moronic.

He'll get the season. He's got rid of a lot of wasters, has a couple others sitting on the sidelines while youngsters get a chance. The youngsters will find his guidance valuable. And if he's not around next year at least he'd have reduced the age of the squad and brought back a semblance of what the United profile of player ought to be. The quality is not there for him to bring the results the United teams he played in got but the idea he has as manager is right.

Originally Posted by dunk

We're 11th/12th in the new year.

He'll be here for the season regardless. Minimum.

I don't understand people calling for his head. The problems are clear and not of his making. Mindless rhetoric such as 'he's out of his depth' from people with absolutely no clue what they're talking about is moronic.

He is out of his depth. I love the bloke but you can't deny it.

Tuanzebe looks good. Heard all the hype but first real chance seeing him in a proper game (well...) and he definitely has something.

Can't help feeling, despite us being such a mess at the moment, that there's still some very good pieces to build with. Having half a dozen quality young players gives hope that this can maybe one day be turned into something.

Major doubts over Ole being the man to complete the job but on paper his rebuild is encouraging. If he could just coach the team a bit.

Originally Posted by utd99

Carrying on this way is worse for United than even the worst case scenario of giving him time. We cannot keep doing this.

if we lose to £#%&!ing pub team Newcastle and follow that up with another caust against the Dippers there's no way he survives

Originally Posted by £#%&! KFC

if we lose to £#%&!ing pub team Newcastle and follow that up with another caust against the Dippers there's no way he survives

Do you think another manager would come in now and be able to turn us into a top tier side again? If so, who?

Originally Posted by NedKelly

Do you think another manager would come in now and be able to turn us into a top tier side again? If so, who?

have no £#%&!ing idea because the team is still laced with players who are nowhere near good enough, and players who clearly are but are not being coached or managed in the right way

people need to put their personal feelings about Ole aside, we all wanted him to get the job, but since getting the job it hasn't worked and if we lose our next two league games are we going to continue to bury our head in the sand

Didn't get a chance to see the game but sounds like it went how I expected it to

Disappointed Axel made a small error for their goal but glad he performed well even at left back
He's going to be a top CB and can't be long before he displaces Lindelof

Ole's not helping himself sticking with this 4231 system and keeping frauds like Lingard and Pereira in the team
Surely Fred in a midfield 3 with The Scottish Player and Pogba is the obvious best of a bad bunch senior midfield we have

Really worry for Ole looking at the fixtures after Newcastle
Liverpool home, Norwich away, Bournemouth away
If we don't get a win at Newcastle then we could be waiting a while for the next league win and sink close to the relegation zone

Originally Posted by £#%&! KFC

have no £#%&!ing idea because the team is still laced with players who are nowhere near good enough, and players who clearly are but are not being coached or managed in the right way

people need to put their personal feelings about Ole aside, we all wanted him to get the job, but since getting the job it hasn't worked and if we lose our next two league games are we going to continue to bury our head in the sand

As poor as the quality was overall yesterday, I do think there was more of a picture of how Ole wants us to play. High press and intensity, with a mixture of short snappy stuff in and around the box and some old fashioned wing play with crosses whipped in. We honestly looked the better side to me for large portions of the game (again, overall quality aside), and with Martial up front we probably would have scored 2 or 3 before HT.

There’s no quick fix, even if we are going to start contemplating replacing ole, it simply isn’t feasible until next summer at the earliest anyway.