BIG Luke Shaw

Originally Posted by armchair

what do you mean "photoshopping"?

He's only dating her to feel thin.

id imagine if williams capt of the under 23s keeps on progressing like he is he will be pushing for the left back spot soon or give dalot a run there

Originally Posted by puressence

id imagine if williamson capt of the under 23s keeps on progressing like he is he will be pushing for the left back spot soon or give dalot a run there

Williams.

Originally Posted by AK14

Williams.

Originally Posted by AK14

Williams.

Originally Posted by puressence

id imagine if williams capt of the under 23s keeps on progressing like he is he will be pushing for the left back spot soon or give dalot a run there

Silly @#%&!.

Originally Posted by Neo

I've always been a fan, and defended him to the hilt, but it's worrying how he's started the season.

Remember him being such a confident player. Would bomb down the flank, and had a brilliant talent at taking the ball first time on the run, or whipping it first time. That explosiveness seems to have vanished.

Always seems to play the safe option, and never really seems to want the ball. This criticism is all from his play in the opposition half, too, when he's looked even worse defensively. Biggest season in his career, and he'll have no excuses if he stays injury free, as it looks like Ole is going to play him.

He's bounced back before, so I'm not writing him off yet, but he needs to be doing a lot more. Last thing we need is to have a headache at left-back after it's taken 10 years to sort the right-back spot out.

As bad as he is, do we not have coaches that notice these things and who are able to rectify them? So few of our players have actually developed their game with us in the past 6 years, most of the ones who have improved were young players who would have improved just by playing matches, obviously Shaw is an exception.

still can't fathom why we weren't in for sessegnon or tierney at £25m. baffling.


obviously we don't consider it a problem area, but it is.

Originally Posted by Whip Hubley

still can't fathom why we weren't in for sessegnon or tierney at £25m. baffling.


obviously we don't consider it a problem area, but it is.

Yep, Tierney seems an obvious one at that price tbh. Looks miles better than Lukey boy at both ends of the pitch.

Originally Posted by Whip Hubley

still can't fathom why we weren't in for sessegnon or tierney at £25m. baffling.


obviously we don't consider it a problem area, but it is.

Yep. even if we could have moved Shaw for £10m its hardly going to break the bank especially as we would have saved £100k per week on wages at least with either of them 2 joining.

I get the feeling that Ole and the club see him as our % of disabled staff, doing our bit for players in need.

Originally Posted by armchair

He's the rebel wilson of full backs.

Don't you mean Jocky Wilson?

Originally Posted by Chris Quayd

As bad as he is, do we not have coaches that notice these things and who are able to rectify them? So few of our players have actually developed their game with us in the past 6 years, most of the ones who have improved were young players who would have improved just by playing matches, obviously Shaw is an exception.

Who hasn't improved then?

And who are their counterparts at other clubs who have shown improvement?

You're setting some pretty tight parameters here... let's hope you can back it up.

Originally Posted by Cream

Who hasn't improved then?

And who are their counterparts at other clubs who have shown improvement?

You're setting some pretty tight parameters here... let's hope you can back it up.

Last 6 years per previous statement -
Players who have improved at the club (MU): De Gea, Rashford
Players who haven't improved at the club (MU): Martial, Shaw, Lukaku, Depay, Zaha, Smalling, Jones, Bailly. More available on request.

Players who have improved elsewhere (counterparts): Sterling, Robertson, Salah, Sane, De Bruyne, Henderson, Bernardo Silva, Kane, Son. More available on request.

Originally Posted by Chris Quayd

Last 6 years per previous statement -
Players who have improved at the club (MU): De Gea, Rashford
Players who haven't improved at the club (MU): Martial, Shaw, Lukaku, Depay, Zaha, Smalling, Jones, Bailly. More available on request.

Players who have improved elsewhere (counterparts): Sterling, Robertson, Salah, Sane, De Bruyne, Henderson, Bernardo Silva, Kane, Son. More available on request.

Originally Posted by Cream

They were youngish players that didn't develop whilst at the club, do you have a point?

Originally Posted by Chris Quayd

They were youngish players that didn't develop whilst at the club, do you have a point?

Sir, they do not play for Manchester United.

Originally Posted by Cream

Sir, they do not play for Manchester United.

You raise a good point, though I had previously specified players that hadn’t developed at our club in the previous 6 seasons. Apologies that you didn’t understand.

Originally Posted by Chris Quayd

You raise a good point, though I had previously specified players that hadn’t developed at our club in the previous 6 seasons. Apologies that you didn’t understand.

Don't worry, you have to be very clear when talking to Cream. Takes him a while.

Originally Posted by Chris Quayd

You raise a good point, though I had previously specified players that hadn’t developed at our club in the previous 6 seasons. Apologies that you didn’t understand.

Oh at any time during the past 6 seasons.

Let us further define your criteria:

most of the ones who have improved were young players who would have improved just by playing matches

1) Therefore we are only looking for players over a certain age, whose improvement can't be confined to the simple accrual of experience. Or indeed those who might have failed to live up to their promise.

So we can discount Martial, Shaw, Depay, Zaha, Sterling, Robertson, Sane.

Jones and Bailly have been injured far too often to indict their coaches.

Your list is already starting to look a little thin...

Originally Posted by Cream

Oh at any time during the past 6 seasons.

Let us further define your criteria:



1) Therefore we are only looking for players over a certain age, whose improvement can't be confined to the simple accrual of experience. Or indeed those who might have failed to live up to their promise.

So we can discount Martial, Shaw, Depay, Zaha, Sterling, Robertson, Sane.

Jones and Bailly have been injured far too often to indict their coaches.

Your list is already starting to look a little thin...

Wrong. We are comparing young players (at your request) and their respective development. Most of our young players haven't developed their game and the two I cited that had improved I contend that they did so just by gaining experience, not through any coaching. If we had capable coaches then more than two of the ten players I mentioned would have shown discernible improvement.

If you disagree please state which of those remaining eight players have improved and how.