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Unread 02-11-2020, 03:49 PM
bosskeano
 
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He's been here 4 years mate
just referencing the time frame of Ole because he's put a shit ton of faith is this ****er only to be let down time and time again
 
Unread 02-11-2020, 03:54 PM
Dr Stranger
 
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I think the problem is that keane is from a generation where footballers were expected do a lot more self management on the pitch. The days of "just give it quicker and move the ball forward quicker" and other vague instructions are long gone.

If footballers of 25 years ago were Volkwagen Golfs that needed the odd service now and again to keep ticking over, by comparison today's footballers are formula 1 cars, they need to be micro managed and instructed for every minute they're on that pitch.

I mean look at the modern day manager - prowling the touchline, screaming instructions non stop, working relentlessly on patterns of play, pressing, tactical fouls and moving players about the pitch like chess pieces.

I think that's half the problem with our manager - he think he's managing a group of 90s men and makes the mistake of entrusting them too much.
Agreed. Keane is very old school. We know this and he looks through his own lens, as someone who is a winner and is motivated anyway. Not everyone is like him and that reflected in his management.

I donít think the issues are mutually exclusive either.

We all know what confidence can do in football and if the players arenít confident in the manager, if they arenít sure about the plan, they doubt themselves. All that can make them look slower, lazier, and all those bad aspects that look solely on the player.

And, rightly or wrongly, the buck stops will Ole. It always falls on the manager in the end. We can see what this group can do when they play well, but itís looking increasingly unlikely that he is capable of getting them to do it with any consistency, where either complacency or bad habits kick back in.

Meanwhile, we have standards and targets to maintain and we are quickly heading to the point where that will necessitate him being sacked.
 
Unread 02-11-2020, 04:02 PM
AK14
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wdAhvnW8As

Didn't see any of this because I turned off in disgust at the final whistle.

f***ing love Keano. Dishing reality checks all over the show.
Keane

Iíd have him in as a coach and I know people will argue against it but at this point why f***ing not.

Heís right about the players obviously and itís been said many times on here for years.

Still for this game Ole has to takes some of the blame.
 
Unread 02-11-2020, 04:15 PM
bosskeano
 
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keane is spot on....it's not up to the manager to provide motivation or to get them mentally ready to step on the pitch

the guys are professional footballers, they should be self motivated to show up and perform
 
Unread 02-11-2020, 04:15 PM
utd99
 
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Keane

Iíd have him in as a coach and I know people will argue against it but at this point why f***ing not.

Heís right about the players obviously and itís been said many times on here for years.

Still for this game Ole has to takes some of the blame.
Keane is one of the few who tell it like it is because he doesnít have half an eye on staying sweet with the club or whatís going to happen when he runs into Woodward or any of the players he has to critique. If he posted on here heíd be called a bed wetter. Madness.
 
Unread 02-11-2020, 04:25 PM
dunk
 
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Basically, they were all shit.
 
Unread 02-11-2020, 04:30 PM
Ethers
 
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Yeah, I stopped at the bit where he was analysing the formation literally at the kick off
 
Unread 02-11-2020, 04:32 PM
dunk
 
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Yeah, I stopped at the bit where he was analysing the formation literally at the kick off
That was daft, and in places he's taking the piss, but on the whole it's interesting.
 
Unread 02-11-2020, 04:39 PM
utd99
 
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I think the problem is that keane is from a generation where footballers were expected do a lot more self management on the pitch. The days of "just give it quicker and move the ball forward quicker" and other vague instructions are long gone.

If footballers of 25 years ago were Volkwagen Golfs that needed the odd service now and again to keep ticking over, by comparison today's footballers are formula 1 cars, they need to be micro managed and instructed for every minute they're on that pitch.

I mean look at the modern day manager - prowling the touchline, screaming instructions non stop, working relentlessly on patterns of play, pressing, tactical fouls and moving players about the pitch like chess pieces.

I think that's half the problem with our manager - he think he's managing a group of 90s men and makes the mistake of entrusting them too much.
Itís too simple to put it down to Ďmoderní footballers, and puts an impossible onus back on the manager to have every single solution to every single problem with these players. Liverpool have modern footballers too; so do Bayern Munich. The biggest problem Ole has is not how he can be a wet nurse to these mamby p*****s but how he can dispense with the notion that he has to be.

The hyperbole surrounding Arteta is nauseating, but I give him massive credit for having the balls to exile Ozil, because you know heís going to get shit every time Arsenal struggle to create. Heís obviously realised that this type, despite the profile, will let him down over and over.
 
Unread 02-11-2020, 05:34 PM
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Keane hit the nail on the head think heís said it before. They take easy options , donít gamble , Bruno was doing this every game he isnít know. Watch the centre halfís slow pass side to side , other teams the full backs are up past the halfway ready to go. The press yesterday ffs arsenal every town two passes and past halfway. Itís not f***ing hard to coach surely isnít.
 
Unread 02-11-2020, 05:41 PM
jem
 
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they don't take the easy options. they make stupid choices and put each other under pressure. all the time.
 
Unread 02-11-2020, 06:13 PM
Sparky***
 
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Itís too simple to put it down to Ďmoderní footballers, and puts an impossible onus back on the manager to have every single solution to every single problem with these players. Liverpool have modern footballers too; so do Bayern Munich. The biggest problem Ole has is not how he can be a wet nurse to these mamby p*****s but how he can dispense with the notion that he has to be.

The hyperbole surrounding Arteta is nauseating, but I give him massive credit for having the balls to exile Ozil, because you know heís going to get shit every time Arsenal struggle to create. Heís obviously realised that this type, despite the profile, will let him down over and over.
The problem is that I get the impression that beyond the basics of a team shape, our players have no structure or basis in place to go and properly dominate a game of football. We do, on rare occasions, don't get me wrong, but far too often we completely run out of ideas because we seem to place a lot of emphasis on getting the ball to 1 or 2 players and expecting them to create literally everything. At no point in the game yesterday watching United attack did i think "there's a goal coming here". Not once. See how much of a problem we had when Martial is gone, that's one less player we had to create so all our entire attacking play has to go through Fernandes and Rashford. That's it. If they don't create or score, nobody else is. For what seems like the f***ing thousandth time in the last 4 years we've seen a team come to our home ground, dogged and organised, we can't break them down...the end.

The amount of times we leave the man on the ball isolated, players laying the ball off and just standing there nobody overlaps, nobody overloads the wide areas.

And that's not even getting into how atrocious we are without the ball. You won't see another top club out there with a team who are as passive and easy to play through as we are. With supposedly two "defensive" midfielders on the f***ing pitch as well. Maybe it might be an idea that you'd like to start winning possession higher up the pitch because when you're constantly having to build attacks from your own 18 yard box with defenders who can't pass very well and two central midfielders who are average, sideways-passing,creative vacuums, you're making your own problems.

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they don't take the easy options. they make stupid choices and put each other under pressure. all the time.
This 100% this. The amount of f***ing suicide passes we played to each other yesterday. Just smacked of people 'getting rid' of the ball and passing responsibility on to the next one
 
Unread 02-11-2020, 08:51 PM
Dr Stranger
 
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The problem is that I get the impression that beyond the basics of a team shape, our players have no structure or basis in place to go and properly dominate a game of football. We do, on rare occasions, don't get me wrong, but far too often we completely run out of ideas because we seem to place a lot of emphasis on getting the ball to 1 or 2 players and expecting them to create literally everything. At no point in the game yesterday watching United attack did i think "there's a goal coming here". Not once. See how much of a problem we had when Martial is gone, that's one less player we had to create so all our entire attacking play has to go through Fernandes and Rashford. That's it. If they don't create or score, nobody else is. For what seems like the f***ing thousandth time in the last 4 years we've seen a team come to our home ground, dogged and organised, we can't break them down...the end.

The amount of times we leave the man on the ball isolated, players laying the ball off and just standing there nobody overlaps, nobody overloads the wide areas.

And that's not even getting into how atrocious we are without the ball. You won't see another top club out there with a team who are as passive and easy to play through as we are. With supposedly two "defensive" midfielders on the f***ing pitch as well. Maybe it might be an idea that you'd like to start winning possession higher up the pitch because when you're constantly having to build attacks from your own 18 yard box with defenders who can't pass very well and two central midfielders who are average, sideways-passing,creative vacuums, you're making your own problems.



This 100% this. The amount of f***ing suicide passes we played to each other yesterday. Just smacked of people 'getting rid' of the ball and passing responsibility on to the next one
The options for the player on the ball was especially bad yesterday.

There was a moment second half where Matic raced (by his standards) to keep the ball in near the left hand corner flag. He did so, shielded the ball and not a single red shirt appeared to help him out.

We constantly leave AWB isolated, knowing full well heís crap. There should ALWAYS be a player ten yards to his left.

The players bring the ball out are crap, but the midfielders so rarely show to give them a simple out ball.

And our decision making on the ball is appalling. The amount of times they ignore balls that are on, or attempt balls that arenít is infuriating.
 
Unread 02-11-2020, 10:03 PM
bosskeano
 
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here is what i hope Ole does for our next match in the CL and in the League

DeGea, AWB, Axel, Maguire, Telles, McT, Donny, Bruno, Rashford, Martial, Greenwood

Give this XI a run of games and see how the f*** they perform because something was missing against Arsenal after beating the dog piss out of Leipzig in mid week.
 
Unread 02-11-2020, 10:08 PM
AK14
 
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here is what i hope Ole does for our next match in the CL and in the League

DeGea, AWB, Axel, Maguire, Telles, McT, Donny, Bruno, Rashford, Martial, Greenwood

Give this XI a run of games and see how the f*** they perform because something was missing against Arsenal after beating the dog piss out of Leipzig in mid week.
Scrapping the diamond pal?

Personally Iíd go for 3/5 at the back

When is Martialís suspension over?
 
Unread 02-11-2020, 10:08 PM
dunk
 
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Scrapping the diamond pal?

Personally Iíd go for 3/5 at the back

When is Martialís suspension over?
Back next game.
 
Unread 02-11-2020, 11:06 PM
AK14
 
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Back next game.
Nice

Hopefully he comes back with the same attitude he had last season after lockdown

Need him to start finding the net asap.
 
Unread 03-11-2020, 12:12 AM
Stickman
 
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Keane is one of the few who tell it like it is because he doesnít have half an eye on staying sweet with the club or whatís going to happen when he runs into Woodward or any of the players he has to critique. If he posted on here heíd be called a bed wetter. Madness.
He will up until a point. He avoided getting stuck into the Glazers a few months back along with Rio when Carragher basically put it on a plate for them. Keane will very much think if Ole is the manager then stranger things could happen than him being appointed back at the club in some capacity.
 
Unread 03-11-2020, 02:25 PM
bosskeano
 
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Scrapping the diamond pal?

Personally Iíd go for 3/5 at the back

When is Martialís suspension over?
I'm not Ole...unfortunately because he has the best job in the world

the diamond was clearly to accommodate Pogba, well Pogba has become our Ozil. Time for Ole to take a stand and get him out of the lineup and put in place our best possession based group of players with our most dynamic attackers. Donny is good enough to do the job defensively and he's much better on the ball than either McT or Fred.
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