We will not win the Champs League

with ferie in charge. not on last nights performance anyway.

is it me or does fergie talk up the opposition too much? utd looked very nervous. if we are finding it hard to beat Lyon we've got no chance.

nft.

£#%&!ing great stuff, well £#%&!ing done.

Originally Posted by antonin jablonsky

£#%&!ing great stuff, well £#%&!ing done.

the truth hurts. nft.

Originally Posted by El Calafate

the truth hurts. nft.

Yeah, so me calling you a £#%&!ing boring #@&%! must be particularly painful.

Originally Posted by antonin jablonsky

Yeah, so me calling you a £#%&!ing boring #@&%! must be particularly painful.

that's funny coming from a welshman.

nft.

We continue to play this cautious, almost negative style in europe despite it being our downfall for several years. I can't understand it.

Our strengths are our strong defence and our attacking threat and options. We play 442 in the league and have conceded the least goals and scored the 2nd most. Why he can't trust the team to play this way in europe i'll never know. What happens instead is we have players like Anderson and Rooney who are of exceptional ability, being asked to do jobs they dont know and their level suffers as a result.

We spend too much time worrying about the other team.

Let the other teams worry about us and if it doesn't work at least we can say we had a go

Originally Posted by El Calafate

that's funny coming from a welsh man.

nft.

Is it really. that's the best you can do as well. Sad boring £#%&!wit.

Originally Posted by Redhod99

We continue to play this cautious, almost negative style in europe despite it being our downfall for several years. I can't understand it.

Our strengths are our strong defence and our attacking threat and options. We play 442 in the league and have conceded the least goals and scored the 2nd most. Why he can't trust the team to play this way in europe i'll never know. What happens instead is we have players like Anderson and Rooney who are of exceptional ability, being asked to do jobs they dont know and their level suffers as a result.

We spend too much time worrying about the other team.

Let the other teams worry about us and if it doesn't work at least we can say we had a go

absolutely spot on, but it will be lost on here.

nft.

Originally Posted by antonin jablonsky

Is it really. that's the best you can do as well. Sad boring £#%&!wit.

nft.

Originally Posted by Redhod99

We continue to play this cautious, almost negative style in europe despite it being our downfall for several years. I can't understand it.

Our strengths are our strong defence and our attacking threat and options. We play 442 in the league and have conceded the least goals and scored the 2nd most. Why he can't trust the team to play this way in europe i'll never know. What happens instead is we have players like Anderson and Rooney who are of exceptional ability, being asked to do jobs they dont know and their level suffers as a result.

We spend too much time worrying about the other team.

Let the other teams worry about us and if it doesn't work at least we can say we had a go

to be fair the standard of some of the teams in the premiership is gash, that said, your point is still valid... and well put.

Originally Posted by Redhod99

We continue to play this cautious, almost negative style in europe despite it being our downfall for several years. I can't understand it.

Our strengths are our strong defence and our attacking threat and options. We play 442 in the league and have conceded the least goals and scored the 2nd most. Why he can't trust the team to play this way in europe i'll never know. What happens instead is we have players like Anderson and Rooney who are of exceptional ability, being asked to do jobs they dont know and their level suffers as a result.

We spend too much time worrying about the other team.

Let the other teams worry about us and if it doesn't work at least we can say we had a go

Yup, as i said earlier hope we get an English team next, maybe we'll play like we do in the PL.

Originally Posted by Redhod99

We continue to play this cautious, almost negative style in europe despite it being our downfall for several years. I can't understand it.

Our strengths are our strong defence and our attacking threat and options. We play 442 in the league and have conceded the least goals and scored the 2nd most. Why he can't trust the team to play this way in europe i'll never know. What happens instead is we have players like Anderson and Rooney who are of exceptional ability, being asked to do jobs they dont know and their level suffers as a result.

We spend too much time worrying about the other team.

Let the other teams worry about us and if it doesn't work at least we can say we had a go

Top scorers aren't we?

But I find it hard to disagree with your post.

However, Lyon are a good team and we beat them by not playing well. I suppose you have to take the plus points from that?

Originally Posted by wiganste

Top scorers aren't we?

But I find it hard to disagree with your post.

However, Lyon are a good team and we beat them by not playing well. I suppose you have to take the plus points from that?

You probbly do, course we'd get beaten like a red headed step child playing like that against a good team.

Short memories.

We were equally shit, cautious, pedestrian, relying on individual magic v lille last season.

2 games later we looked like we could win it.

Ill wait till we're through to the semis before passing judgement on whether we can or cannot win it

Originally Posted by wiganste

Top scorers aren't we?

But I find it hard to disagree with your post.

However, Lyon are a good team and we beat them by not playing well. I suppose you have to take the plus points from that?

No Arsenal are just I think.

You could see the difference straight away last night when Tevez came on, we kept the ball, they backed off and their defence had problems. Prior to that it was easy for them.

If, as in the past, our defence was dodgy, I could understand us protecting them, but now, I just dont think its necessary. 442 last night and it would have blown them away, instead we are left with a nervous last 20 where they are still in the tie and as we saw, despite their lack of threat thoughout the game it only takes one chance and we're in the shit.

For me, the only way you can win trophies is playing to your strengths and we are clearly not doing that in europe.

Originally Posted by Stickman

Short memories.

We were equally shit, cautious, pedestrian, relying on individual magic v lille last season.

2 games later we looked like we could win it.

Ill wait till we're through to the semis before passing judgement on whether we can or cannot win it

Yeah, then we went to Milan with a lead, played a cautious team and were out of it within 20 mins. My point exactly.

The season before we went out after trying to be clever going for 0-0 draws away in the group stages.

The year before that we created 2 chances against Milan at OT because we were too scared they might get an away goal, which they did anyway.

And the year before that we got it back to 2-2 against Porto and went defensive, they score in the last minute and go through

No short memory, its the same every year.

Originally Posted by Redhod99

Yeah, then we went to Milan with a lead, played a cautious team and were out of it within 20 mins. My point exactly.

The season before we went out after trying to be clever going for 0-0 draws away in the group stages.

The year before that we created 2 chances against Milan at OT because we were too scared they might get an away goal, which they did anyway.

And the year before that we got it back to 2-2 against Porto and went defensive, they score in the last minute and go through

No short memory, its the same every year.

Exactly right I'm afraid.

If United get Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea it will be alright.
Otherwise Fergie will have his usual European Cup brain spasm where he suddenly orders the team to stop attacking.

Originally Posted by Redhod99

No Arsenal are just I think.

You could see the difference straight away last night when Tevez came on, we kept the ball, they backed off and their defence had problems. Prior to that it was easy for them.

If, as in the past, our defence was dodgy, I could understand us protecting them, but now, I just dont think its necessary. 442 last night and it would have blown them away, instead we are left with a nervous last 20 where they are still in the tie and as we saw, despite their lack of threat thoughout the game it only takes one chance and we're in the shit.

For me, the only way you can win trophies is playing to your strengths and we are clearly not doing that in europe.

Arsenal 28 19 8 1 57 21 65
Man Utd 28 20 4 4 58 15 64

Originally Posted by antonin jablonsky

You probbly do, course we'd get beaten like a red headed step child playing like that against a good team.

like who?

the mighty barcelona who were struggles against celtic?
the might milan who didnt even look like socring against arsenal?
the great fernabache or sevilla?

Originally Posted by marlo stansfield

like who?

the mighty barcelona who were struggles against celtic?
the might milan who didnt even look like socring against arsenal?
the great fernabache or sevilla?

Probbly not Milan, I think they are out. I think Barca and infact Arse and Liverpool would beat us playing like that. we played much better against arse twice and the dippers away in my opinion.