Mou Mou speaks

Originally Posted by TheFatGoth

Maybe we were too harsh on him

nope.

Originally Posted by Clownbones

I like the way him and LVG talk about the problems in the job, like it wasn't their job to fix them.

The job can be difficult AND they can fail in their attempts to do well. They're not mutually exclusive.

This ffs. Love (don't love) how they both clung on for dear life in this impossible job. You'd think they might be less bitter about their time here if they weren't responsible for the mess they left the club in, it's almost like they can't accept they failed

Originally Posted by Cream

I sort of buy into the theory that both men are too old school and harsh to connect with the modern player.

They require constant grooming and pampering. Pathetic, really.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chKHtho-WC0

Originally Posted by Sparky***

Crikey, that's no way to talk to Goth ffs

I apologise, I need to control my pashun.

Originally Posted by Clownbones

I like the way him and LVG talk about the problems in the job, like it wasn't their job to fix them.

The job can be difficult AND they can fail in their attempts to do well. They're not mutually exclusive.

Culturally if the club or state of mind is poor then he can’t correct that alone. I personally think he tried but was undermined by the players and Woodward. If that’s the case he was £#%&!ed.

That said, we were awful to watch.

Don’t doubt what Mou says, but he can still £#%&! right off. Morbid @#%&!.

As least Louis gave us some laughs

Both wasted exceptional amounts of money and were failures of their own making

Originally Posted by believe

He's right and we all know it but it's hard to feel anything for him because of the way he conducted himself.

Originally Posted by shenwen

Don’t doubt what Mou says, but he can still £#%&! right off. Morbid @#%&!.

As least Louis gave us some laughs

This.

And this.

L’Equipe must be releasing the interview in installments, because I looked for the part where he talks about mistakes he made; nothing.

Originally Posted by Seamus

maybe they knew the solution but were shackled from above. It evident that Jose's solution was to buy buy buy....ready made players on long expensive contracts and they were no longer prepared to back him

I'm sure those limitations are in place. In fact, I'd say it's pretty clear given the struggles of every manager since Fergie.

But that doesn't absolve them of any responsibility at all.

Half the players he complained about were his and the rest is kept around. Same with LVG and it'll be the same for Ole once he has a few transfer windows under his belt.

We do this with the players too. Yes, the conditions are shit, but does anyone take any £#%&!ing responsibility any more?

I'd love to ask Jose what he thinks were some of the things he did wrong.

Not what went wrong, what HE did wrong.

Originally Posted by Cream

I sort of buy into the theory that both men are too old school and harsh to connect with the modern player.

They require constant grooming and pampering. Pathetic, really.

Yes, and younger managers like Klopp and Guardiola seem to get this instinctively.

(though let's see how our present not so old manager gets on with this lot in the coming months......)

Originally Posted by shenwen

Great point

Players wanted feedback by email and then didn't open my messages. How could I manage them?

Start by telling them to £#%&! off and if they don't like it, find another club.

This is where you need club backing. We'd hear reports at the time that the "senior players" had a direct line to Ed and would report concerns to him. Ideally at that point the club tells the players that refusing to be coached isn't really acceptable.

The same way the club might have told Pogba that going on French TV to throw subbies at Mourinho at the end of last season wasn't really acceptable. When you don't do these things you contribute reducing the manager's authority. Hence Mou talking about discipline needing to come from the top. At most other clubs these days the clubs hold the players to account, not just the manager.

Originally Posted by Clownbones

I'm sure those limitations are in place. In fact, I'd say it's pretty clear given the struggles of every manager since Fergie.

But that doesn't absolve them of any responsibility at all.

Half the players he complained about were his and the rest is kept around. Same with LVG and it'll be the same for Ole once he has a few transfer windows under his belt.

We do this with the players too. Yes, the conditions are shit, but does anyone take any £#%&!ing responsibility any more?

I'd love to ask Jose what he thinks were some of the things he did wrong.

Not what went wrong, what HE did wrong.

Of course he wouldn't admit his mistakes. I don't think he's said that players were bought against his wishes, which I'm sure he would have by now. So if Sanchez, Lukaku, Pogba and Matic were bought with his approval on huge money and wages and he can't get anything out of them by the end it clearly doesn't reflect too well on him.

But maybe him firing at the club isn't a bad thing. The more pressure on the board to get their act together the slightly better chance we see some progress.

Originally Posted by red in cumbria

Yes, and younger managers like Klopp and Guardiola seem to get this instinctively.

(though let's see how our present not so old manager gets on with this lot in the coming months......)

Mourinho is one year older than Klopp

Originally Posted by andyroo

Mourinho is one year older than Klopp

Nah, four years - though actually even that makes Klopp a bit older than I thought he was.

Originally Posted by andyroo

Mourinho is one year older than Klopp

and still has all his own teeth

Originally Posted by Clownbones

I'm sure those limitations are in place. In fact, I'd say it's pretty clear given the struggles of every manager since Fergie.

But that doesn't absolve them of any responsibility at all.

Half the players he complained about were his and the rest is kept around. Same with LVG and it'll be the same for Ole once he has a few transfer windows under his belt.

We do this with the players too. Yes, the conditions are shit, but does anyone take any £#%&!ing responsibility any more?

I'd love to ask Jose what he thinks were some of the things he did wrong.

Not what went wrong, what HE did wrong.

He’d probably say things like ‘too generous’ and ‘too patient’.