Official United v Liverpool thread. The farce of all farces.

Christ almighty. two poor decisions from two defenders dropped us in the shit not Moyes, he picked the team most on here wanted.

If Jones had played more at centre half (Fergie) he might not look so off the pace. We need a quick centre half to play alongside him.

I don't see what RVP offers given his lack of movement. Thought Fellaini much better than Carrick but we only need one of them. Two holding players creates too big a gap.

Need some pace in midfield and the ability to beat players either by quick passing or dribbling.

We need 2 high quality full backs who can defend properly, bombing forward isn't good enough if you can't cut out simple balls.

Moyes big issue today is that he wasn't prepared to take off RVP, Rafael and Carrick.

Originally Posted by Argentina

Ridiculous tactics. The best thing about playing United these days is that we are so predictable, which makes it very easy to set your team up against.

We have no pace, no player who will beat a man 1v1 and no midfielders who will run beyond. Therefore, you only need to go man for man at the back, with a holding midfielder and you're set.

Welbeck should have started, with RVP and Mata in behind, Rooney out left, with Carrick and the brand holding, allowing Evra and Rafael forward. Welbeck stretches the play, Mata and RVP eat up Gerrard and the space in behind the defense, Rooney gets back to help out in defense and their 3 in behind Suarez and the game is totally different. But that would have been a positive, front foot move, so it was always out of the question.

1. RVP not worth a place let Rooney go to 9.
2. Neither good enough at both roles.
3. Been in america too long.

spot on about pace and movement.

Originally Posted by redhegemony

Christ almighty. two poor decisions from two defenders dropped us in the shit not Moyes, he picked the team most on here wanted.

If Jones had played more at centre half (Fergie) he might not look so off the pace. We need a quick centre half to play alongside him.

I don't see what RVP offers given his lack of movement. Thought Fellaini much better than Carrick but we only need one of them. Two holding players creates too big a gap.

Need some pace in midfield and the ability to beat players either by quick passing or dribbling.

We need 2 high quality full backs who can defend properly, bombing forward isn't good enough if you can't cut out simple balls.

Moyes big issue today is that he wasn't prepared to take off RVP, Rafael and Carrick.

Originally Posted by redhegemony

Christ almighty. two poor decisions from two defenders dropped us in the shit not Moyes, he picked the team most on here wanted.

If Jones had played more at centre half (Fergie) he might not look so off the pace. We need a quick centre half to play alongside him.

I don't see what RVP offers given his lack of movement. Thought Fellaini much better than Carrick but we only need one of them. Two holding players creates too big a gap.

Need some pace in midfield and the ability to beat players either by quick passing or dribbling.

We need 2 high quality full backs who can defend properly, bombing forward isn't good enough if you can't cut out simple balls.

Moyes big issue today is that he wasn't prepared to take off RVP, Rafael and Carrick.

£#%&!ing knew Moyes had a log in on here.

Do us a favour and resign yea? Cheers. Oh, and don't take The Lord's name in vain you @#%&!.

Deepers wants to £#%&! your daughter btw. Beware.

Originally Posted by redhegemony

Christ almighty. two poor decisions from two defenders dropped us in the shit not Moyes, he picked the team most on here wanted.

If Jones had played more at centre half (Fergie) he might not look so off the pace. We need a quick centre half to play alongside him.

I don't see what RVP offers given his lack of movement. Thought Fellaini much better than Carrick but we only need one of them. Two holding players creates too big a gap.

Need some pace in midfield and the ability to beat players either by quick passing or dribbling.

We need 2 high quality full backs who can defend properly, bombing forward isn't good enough if you can't cut out simple balls.

Moyes big issue today is that he wasn't prepared to take off RVP, Rafael and Carrick.

Originally Posted by The Watcher

£#%&!ing knew Moyes had a log in on here.

Do us a favour and resign yea? Cheers. Oh, and don't take The Lord's name in vain you @#%&!.

Deepers wants to £#%&! your daughter btw. Beware.

So if we had Capello or someone else:

rafeal wouldn't be hot headed and unprofessional.
evra would mark and get back and could cross.
Vidic wouldn't have lost his pace
Jones would have played 30+ games at centre half
Carrick wouldn't look frightened
RVP wouldn't be a mardy dutch bloke who ran about.
Rooney would be playing at 9.

Why are people on here so reluctant to blame the players?

Originally Posted by redhegemony

So if we had Capello or someone else:

rafeal wouldn't be hot headed and unprofessional.
evra would mark and get back and could cross.
Vidic wouldn't have lost his pace
Jones would have played 30+ games at centre half
Carrick wouldn't look frightened
RVP wouldn't be a mardy dutch bloke who ran about.
Rooney would be playing at 9.

Why are people on here so reluctant to blame the players?

Because most of the players were champions last season ffs.

Originally Posted by boreez

Because most of the players were champions last season ffs.

yes and none of those problems that were materialising were addressed and they have come back to haunt...

Originally Posted by redhegemony

So if we had Capello or someone else:

rafeal wouldn't be hot headed and unprofessional.
evra would mark and get back and could cross.
Vidic wouldn't have lost his pace
Jones would have played 30+ games at centre half
Carrick wouldn't look frightened
RVP wouldn't be a mardy dutch bloke who ran about.
Rooney would be playing at 9.

Why are people on here so reluctant to blame the players?

Maybe just maybe because they have helped us to win many trophies while Moyes hasn't won a bean in his entire managerial career

Come on, if it was 2 or 3 players who had dropped their level then you could maybe look to the players rather than the manager but it is pretty much every £#%&!ing player in the squad so clearly the manager and coaching staff aren't doing their jobs

It's up to the manager to get the best out of the squad and if he can't do it then get someone in who can
It's that simple

Originally Posted by redhegemony

So if we had Capello or someone else:

rafeal wouldn't be hot headed and unprofessional.
evra would mark and get back and could cross.
Vidic wouldn't have lost his pace
Jones would have played 30+ games at centre half
Carrick wouldn't look frightened
RVP wouldn't be a mardy dutch bloke who ran about.
Rooney would be playing at 9.

Why are people on here so reluctant to blame the players?

you £#%&!ing idiot....

the buck stops with the manager.
its the same players we had last year with 2 additions. maybe the players you listed wouldn't be exposing their flaws if they were playing a system which suited them and were being instructed by a manager with proper tactics and decent motivational methods.

we have never had lets say the strongest squad in the league of late but its usually the greater sum of parts then wins you league.
look at the liverpool side we faced today.... an ageing gerrard with henderson and allen in midfield. the difference today wasn't the quality in there it was the tactics and motivation...which comes down to the managers.
you could even tell from gerrards interview
'the manager is always trying to new things and thought we be better using a diamond formation today and I'm disappointed we didn't get more goals'
then the manager in his press conference
'we decided to play the diamond with sterling at the top of it because united have slow cb and we want to run at them'
this indicates this week in training liverpool have be tuning themselves towards executing their managers tactics and it worked. they knew what they were doing....they knew where to get the ball to, how to defend our tepid attacks and how to control the game....this all comes down to the managers....simple as..

Originally Posted by marlo

you £#%&!ing idiot....

the buck stops with the manager.
its the same players we had last year with 2 additions. maybe the players you listed wouldn't be exposing their flaws if they were playing a system which suited them and were being instructed by a manager with proper tactics and decent motivational methods.

we have never had lets say the strongest squad in the league of late but its usually the greater sum of parts then wins you league.
look at the liverpool side we faced today.... an ageing gerrard with henderson and allen in midfield. the difference today wasn't the quality in there it was the tactics and motivation...which comes down to the managers.
you could even tell from gerrards interview
'the manager is always trying to new things and thought we be better using a diamond formation today and I'm disappointed we didn't get more goals'
then the manager in his press conference
'we decided to play the diamond with sterling at the top of it because united have slow cb and we want to run at them'
this indicates this week in training liverpool have be tuning themselves towards executing their managers tactics and it worked. they knew what they were doing....they knew where to get the ball to, how to defend our tepid attacks and how to control the game....this all comes down to the managers....simple as..

If I could good rep you I would, spot on.

Originally Posted by marlo

you £#%&!ing idiot....

the buck stops with the manager.
its the same players we had last year with 2 additions. maybe the players you listed wouldn't be exposing their flaws if they were playing a system which suited them and were being instructed by a manager with proper tactics and decent motivational methods.

we have never had lets say the strongest squad in the league of late but its usually the greater sum of parts then wins you league.
look at the liverpool side we faced today.... an ageing gerrard with henderson and allen in midfield. the difference today wasn't the quality in there it was the tactics and motivation...which comes down to the managers.
you could even tell from gerrards interview
'the manager is always trying to new things and thought we be better using a diamond formation today and I'm disappointed we didn't get more goals'
then the manager in his press conference
'we decided to play the diamond with sterling at the top of it because united have slow cb and we want to run at them'
this indicates this week in training liverpool have be tuning themselves towards executing their managers tactics and it worked. they knew what they were doing....they knew where to get the ball to, how to defend our tepid attacks and how to control the game....this all comes down to the managers....simple as..

I don't know much about football management, never tried it nor played Championship Manager. I would though guess that the biggest club in the world would have put a fair bit of time, energy and resources into making the most important appointment in the last 25 years.

The club must have been convinced he had the right skill set and ability. he may not have the personality to prosper at the highest level, that's the unknown.

Business psychology also not my discrete area but i bet there's loads on what happens when a change takes place and the consequent effect.

Who left us with the 'slow centre back' that has been obvious for 2 years?

Originally Posted by doudou

Never understood how a keeper can come out, miss the ball and punch someone.

It's really easy, trust me.

Originally Posted by dunk

Baffles me that goalkeepers can arrive late for the ball and punch someone in the head and it's not a foul

He punched Agger, didn't he?

Originally Posted by denis lawless

dont be £#%&!ing stupid .......

Are you STILL on this?

I'm not saying he's THE best keeper in the league, but there's absolutely nothing stupid about suggesting it. He's certainly in the top 3.

Originally Posted by marlo

you £#%&!ing idiot....

..

the bankers are the real idiots...

Originally Posted by Tumescent Throb

you're a shouty idiot.

little man with a lot to prove.

that might be the most stupid thing you've ever written. prove?

it's moyes who has something to prove.

Originally Posted by marlo

you £#%&!ing idiot....

the buck stops with the manager.
its the same players we had last year with 2 additions. maybe the players you listed wouldn't be exposing their flaws if they were playing a system which suited them and were being instructed by a manager with proper tactics and decent motivational methods.

we have never had lets say the strongest squad in the league of late but its usually the greater sum of parts then wins you league.
look at the liverpool side we faced today.... an ageing gerrard with henderson and allen in midfield. the difference today wasn't the quality in there it was the tactics and motivation...which comes down to the managers.
you could even tell from gerrards interview
'the manager is always trying to new things and thought we be better using a diamond formation today and I'm disappointed we didn't get more goals'
then the manager in his press conference
'we decided to play the diamond with sterling at the top of it because united have slow cb and we want to run at them'
this indicates this week in training liverpool have be tuning themselves towards executing their managers tactics and it worked. they knew what they were doing....they knew where to get the ball to, how to defend our tepid attacks and how to control the game....this all comes down to the managers....simple as..

tip top.

Originally Posted by redhegemony

I don't know much about football management, never tried it nor played Championship Manager. I would though guess that the biggest club in the world would have put a fair bit of time, energy and resources into making the most important appointment in the last 25 years.

The club must have been convinced he had the right skill set and ability. he may not have the personality to prosper at the highest level, that's the unknown.

Business psychology also not my discrete area but i bet there's loads on what happens when a change takes place and the consequent effect.

Who left us with the 'slow centre back' that has been obvious for 2 years?

you're forgetting the total lack of football literacy at the top. the decision was left to the dictator.

Originally Posted by redhegemony

the bankers are the real idiots...

crazy talk. 4u.

Originally Posted by redhegemony

So if we had Capello or someone else:

rafeal wouldn't be hot headed and unprofessional.
evra would mark and get back and could cross.
Vidic wouldn't have lost his pace
Jones would have played 30+ games at centre half
Carrick wouldn't look frightened
RVP wouldn't be a mardy dutch bloke who ran about.
Rooney would be playing at 9.

Why are people on here so reluctant to blame the players?

Yes, some of those are true (not Capello though).

What do you think the manager is for?

Originally Posted by marlo

you £#%&!ing idiot....

the buck stops with the manager.
its the same players we had last year with 2 additions. maybe the players you listed wouldn't be exposing their flaws if they were playing a system which suited them and were being instructed by a manager with proper tactics and decent motivational methods.

we have never had lets say the strongest squad in the league of late but its usually the greater sum of parts then wins you league.
look at the liverpool side we faced today.... an ageing gerrard with henderson and allen in midfield. the difference today wasn't the quality in there it was the tactics and motivation...which comes down to the managers.
you could even tell from gerrards interview
'the manager is always trying to new things and thought we be better using a diamond formation today and I'm disappointed we didn't get more goals'
then the manager in his press conference
'we decided to play the diamond with sterling at the top of it because united have slow cb and we want to run at them'
this indicates this week in training liverpool have be tuning themselves towards executing their managers tactics and it worked. they knew what they were doing....they knew where to get the ball to, how to defend our tepid attacks and how to control the game....this all comes down to the managers....simple as..

Originally Posted by marlo

you £#%&!ing idiot....

the buck stops with the manager.
its the same players we had last year with 2 additions. maybe the players you listed wouldn't be exposing their flaws if they were playing a system which suited them and were being instructed by a manager with proper tactics and decent motivational methods.

we have never had lets say the strongest squad in the league of late but its usually the greater sum of parts then wins you league.
look at the liverpool side we faced today.... an ageing gerrard with henderson and allen in midfield. the difference today wasn't the quality in there it was the tactics and motivation...which comes down to the managers.
you could even tell from gerrards interview
'the manager is always trying to new things and thought we be better using a diamond formation today and I'm disappointed we didn't get more goals'
then the manager in his press conference
'we decided to play the diamond with sterling at the top of it because united have slow cb and we want to run at them'
this indicates this week in training liverpool have be tuning themselves towards executing their managers tactics and it worked. they knew what they were doing....they knew where to get the ball to, how to defend our tepid attacks and how to control the game....this all comes down to the managers....simple as..

Spot on.

Originally Posted by redhegemony

Christ almighty. two poor decisions from two defenders dropped us in the shit not Moyes, he picked the team most on here wanted.

If Jones had played more at centre half (Fergie) he might not look so off the pace. We need a quick centre half to play alongside him.

I don't see what RVP offers given his lack of movement. Thought Fellaini much better than Carrick but we only need one of them. Two holding players creates too big a gap.

Need some pace in midfield and the ability to beat players either by quick passing or dribbling.

We need 2 high quality full backs who can defend properly, bombing forward isn't good enough if you can't cut out simple balls.

Moyes big issue today is that he wasn't prepared to take off RVP, Rafael and Carrick.

So we were playing fine but defender mistakes cost us?

Rubbish. We were awful all the game. He did pick the team everyone wanted but he clearly can't motivate them and is clueless with tactics. Welbeck would have been a better option to start ahead of Januzaj, if not he should come on at half time for him.

Originally Posted by marlo

you £#%&!ing idiot....

I think that covers it tbf.

If the manager has such little influence, I've no idea why United are paying this geezer £5 million a year. May as well give Fred the Red the gig. Not much to it after all.