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It's not just one game, though. His selections when it cones to substitutions are often baffling. No need to elaborate on game management. |
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There isn't a manager in the world who wouldn't take off two young players when 3-0 up with 19 minutes left against a lower division side that until that point hadn't remotely been in the game, to bring on an 80 million signing. Seeing that game out should have been an absolute breeze. |
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There's plenty to criticise ten Hag for and I think he's toast anyway, but on the pitch, the players are an absolute £#%&!ing joke. No leadership, mental strength or organisation whatsoever and repeated idiotic decisions, like Antony trying to shoot into a crowd of players with Dalot in acres of space right next to him, and Dalot charging hopelessly miles out of position leaving their winger unmarked. They're thick as £#%&!, mentally fragile cretins. |
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20 mins or whatever it was in our only important match was nothing. Take Rashford off - put amad on. It’s £#%&!ing simple and obvious . |
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It if it was a one-off then I don't think anyone would really care about the Sundays collapse. 'Fair play to Coventry for giving it a go, we were a bit lucky but got there in the end. The players need to get their act together for the next game etc etc'. But we've been throwing away games in a very similar fashion regularly, combined with the players looking like they have no idea what they're meant to be doing every game and the uninspiring team selections and substitutions... A hefty proportion of blame has to be shared by the manager. Our players are performing shit. But they're not all completely shit players. Someone other than ETH could be getting a better tune out of most of them. Maybe not enough to be competing with Arsenal and Liverpool, but at least enough to compete with Aston Villa and Spurs. That should be the bare minimum and we're way off that this season. |
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He can't control what AWB and Dalot decide to do...we lack the ability to keep and control the ball because the players just aren't good enough which is why we see it time and time again.
It's a lack of quality that is costing us and a threadbare squad not the manager's game plan or instructions. We were playing a slow centre mid ar centre half because we have 5 injured |
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We could probably buy all the Coventry players that appeared against us on Sunday with our summer budget, but I don't think that would make us a better team. AWB & Dalot would most likely still start ahead of any of those Coventry players. So it has to be on the manager. The manager has to get the best out of the players in his team, even if those players have their own limitations. We're not going to be selling half of the squad and replacing them with superstars that could put in a consistent 8/10 regardless as who the manager is, so something has to give. Keeping ETH for next season would just be cutting off our nose to spite the face so we can just continue to blame the players for piss poor performances. |
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For a team like ours to be playing with such an incoherent approach at this stage of his second season is the failure that will get him sacked. It’s not even up for debate. The set up, tactics, subs are largely horrific - we’ve put a handful of good performances in all season. Our Coventry collapse was entirely typical of how we’ve played all season. What wasn’t typical was our initial dominance. Keep finding excuses for failings isn’t helpful. It needs to change. |
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For 15 years we just gave the ball to scholes and he happily passed it around with short simple passes to take any sting out of games where the other team looked to be getting back into it. Mainoo can do this. Launching the ball forwards without hardly looking, or trying clever passes when just need to keep the ball is Sunday league level suicide. |
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Nah i'm not having that. I don't disagree that they're 2 of our best players, but the 11 on the pitch were more than capable of holding on to a 3 nothing lead against a championship side for 20 minutes. I think there's quite a few players in the first team that simply don't want to be here and I'm currently of the position that he should be given the chance to cart them off. I won't do a full list as it's been done to death but Casemiro and Rashford were 2 of the worst culprits on Sunday. Also, the reaction has been completely OTT. Like sparky said a scabby deflection and a penalty that was never a penalty. There was an element of bad luck involved. Same with the Chelsea game, a deflection and a penalty that never was. I'm not saying there isn't a problem with the way we switch off, there obviously is and it needs sorting, but i'm more inclined to blame the players at this moment in time. Ultimately however if he's "lost" a majority of the dressing room he's a gonner, cup or no cup. |
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It's always the same debate, whether it's the players or the manager, and obviously it's both. It's just that, in that specific game, we weren't 1-0 up against Arsenal or city or someone half decent. Then I'd agree taking those players off would have been insane, regardless of needing to manage them carefully. It was 3-0 against Coventry ffs. With 15 minutes to go, we were 3-1 up and those players should not need any instruction from the bench whatsoever to see it out. They should be able to do it on their own without daddy telling them not to charge miles out of position. That's all I'm arguing. Not making excuses for ten Hag, because honestly I think on the rest you're right. It's been absolutely horrific, let's be honest, and if he's sacked I'm not going to care. In fact it's hard to believe how bad it's been at times. I just don't know where we go from here because as we've all said a million times, the potential replacements are so poor. |
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