Declan Rice chooses England

Originally Posted by Lazlo Panaflex

They could be a bit loose with their accusations tbf. To them jean mcconville was a legitimate target.

Don’t think it’s ever been fully established what she did wrong....however I recently watched a doc on netflix called “ I Doloures” where it was alleged that she identified some IRA lads in a police ID parade.....she was hidden behind a curtain but apparently her feet weren’t covered and they recognised her slippers

Ycnmiutbstbs

Originally Posted by no fun

Don’t think it’s ever been fully established what she did wrong....however I recently watched a doc on netflix called “ I Doloures” where it was alleged that she identified some IRA lads in a police ID parade.....she was hidden behind a curtain but apparently her feet weren’t covered and they recognised her slippers

Ycnmiutbstbs

I thought it was because she came to the help of an injured British soldier. Idk

Originally Posted by Lazlo Panaflex

I thought it was because she came to the help of an injured British soldier. Idk

Wouldn't that just fit the narrative, as do a lot of other things you 'thought' about the war in the north. You can reel out all the incidents you like to 'prove' that the IRA was a terrorist undertaking, but the simple facts of the matter are that the great majority of northern nationalists considered the armed struggle to be a completely justified form of resistance against the oppression they suffered, as evidenced by the electoral support that they gave to Sinn Féin.

Originally Posted by Redrum

You've not thought this through. The Barmy Army are an example of an army that is not a terrorist organisation.

Only because they're not organised enough.

Originally Posted by TripDownMiseryLane

Wouldn't that just fit the narrative, as do a lot of other things you 'thought' about the war in the north. You can reel out all the incidents you like to 'prove' that the IRA was a terrorist undertaking, but the simple facts of the matter are that the great majority of northern nationalists considered the armed struggle to be a completely justified form of resistance against the oppression they suffered, as evidenced by the electoral support that they gave to Sinn Féin.

You're the worst person on here, a truly horrendous individual. Without a doubt on some kind of watch list.

Originally Posted by TripDownMiseryLane

Wouldn't that just fit the narrative, as do a lot of other things you 'thought' about the war in the north. You can reel out all the incidents you like to 'prove' that the IRA was a terrorist undertaking, but the simple facts of the matter are that the great majority of northern nationalists considered the armed struggle to be a completely justified form of resistance against the oppression they suffered, as evidenced by the electoral support that they gave to Sinn Féin.

What was it like to live through it mate?

Oh that's right you didn't.

Well for most of the time the IRA were active the main party for the minority population in NI was the SDLP, which opposed violence. Maybe that just slipped Trippers mind tho

Originally Posted by red in cumbria

Well for most of the time the IRA were active the main party for the minority population in NI was the SDLP, which opposed violence. Maybe that just slipped Trippers mind tho

As soon as a political strategy became viable SF quickly supplanted the SDLP.

Originally Posted by Lazlo Panaflex

What was it like to live through it mate?

Oh that's right you didn't.

That is just a complete irrelevance and has nothing whatever to do with the point. Trying to score cheap points will not change the facts.

Originally Posted by TripDownMiseryLane

As soon as a political strategy became viable SF quickly supplanted the SDLP

Alternatively "after the IRA went on ceasefire", it depends how you choose to look at it eh.

Originally Posted by tatty

Who else, apart from saffers, doesn't think the IRA was a terrorist organization?

Me

Reckon half of this forum are sympathisers

Originally Posted by TripDownMiseryLane

Wouldn't that just fit the narrative, as do a lot of other things you 'thought' about the war in the north. You can reel out all the incidents you like to 'prove' that the IRA was a terrorist undertaking, but the simple facts of the matter are that the great majority of northern nationalists considered the armed struggle to be a completely justified form of resistance against the oppression they suffered, as evidenced by the electoral support that they gave to Sinn Féin.

Were your beloved working class who lived in Birmingham, Manchester and Warrington legitimate targets?

Originally Posted by TravellingRed

Were your beloved working class who lived in Birmingham, Manchester and Warrington legitimate targets?

No they weren’t, and I think that’s what’s the deciding factor in the debate over were the IRA a terrorist organisation

But....

I’ve had conversations with members of the peggers extended family, and their response has been to justify bombs in English cities in 2 ways ;

1. England sent their young men over the water to terrorise and murder us, so we will send our young men over the water to terrorise and murder them

2. The IRA wanted a place at the negotiating table....the economic cost of the Canary Wharf and Manchester bombs made the British govt realise that more attacks could seriously damage the economy, so they capitulated

Personally don’t agree with either view, so don’t kneecap the messenger

Originally Posted by Lazlo Panaflex

What was it like to live through it mate?

Oh that's right you didn't.

Originally Posted by red in cumbria

Alternatively "after the IRA went on ceasefire", it depends how you choose to look at it eh.

The IRA went on ceasefire once there was a viable alternative to armed struggle. It was the IRA campaign that created the circumstances that created the conditions in which meaningful changes to Britain's imperial policy of administering the sectarian orange state could be negotiated.

People need to understand that the IRA were not the cause of the war in Ireland, but a response to it.

Originally Posted by TravellingRed

Were your beloved working class who lived in Birmingham, Manchester and Warrington legitimate targets?

The IRA did not target civilians, had they, the casualties would have been off the scale. They did everything that an untrained, unresourced, amateur armed group could do to avoid them.

Originally Posted by TripDownMiseryLane

The IRA did not target civilians, had they, the casualties would have been off the scale. They did everything that an untrained, unresourced, amateur armed group could do to avoid them.

They targeted civilians on bloody Friday in Belfast

Other bombs...enniskillen, shankill rd, dropinwell....targeted enemy forces, but in the full knowledge that civilians would be amongst the casualties

Originally Posted by TripDownMiseryLane

The IRA did not target civilians, had they, the casualties would have been off the scale. They did everything that an untrained, unresourced, amateur armed group could do to avoid them.

Was there a secret army camp outside McDonalds and Argos in Warrington?

Originally Posted by guerreiro

Reckon half of this forum are sympathisers

only half ?

Let's be real here. While the IRA were a terror group there was a terrorist group most of you would not accept as a description also engaged in the conflict. One whose members murdered innocent women and children too.

Probably time for you to all move on.

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