Clearout watch summer 2019

Originally Posted by AK14

All well and good but when the board don’t allow him to sell the dross and bring in the players he wants he’ll be the one to get the boot.

Rinse

Repeat.

What do you do in the boardroom, serve drinks?

Originally Posted by utd99

Guardiola, Pochettino, Klopp. In every single instance it took them at least 2 seasons to arrest the slide, drain the swamp of poisonous players and draft in new blood who bought into the plan and the system. We’re either going to give him the opportunity or we’re not. If we’re not prepared to at least see what he does and support him, we’re lost.

My concern is that in each instance you could see those managers' imprint on their teams immediately and they reflected their approach long before the overhauls were close to being completed. You watch United and they don't look like they do any tactical training.

It's so hard to be positive no matter how hard you try. This just feels like another doomed project already.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

My concern is that in each instance you could see those managers' imprint on their teams immediately and they reflected their approach long before the overhauls were close to being completed. You watch United and they don't look like they do any tactical training.

It's so hard to be positive no matter how hard you try. This just feels like another doomed project already.

Yep I don’t know what the plan is

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

My concern is that in each instance you could see those managers' imprint on their teams immediately and they reflected their approach long before the overhauls were close to being completed. You watch United and they don't look like they do any tactical training.

It's so hard to be positive no matter how hard you try. This just feels like another doomed project already.

Well we could see it early on; higher tempo, harder working, quick ball movement and off the ball runs. We hit a wall for some reason - probably a combination of lack of quality, weak mentalities and poor fitness. He hasn’t had the chance to anything meaningful yet except try to change philosophies on the fly.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

My concern is that in each instance you could see those managers' imprint on their teams immediately and they reflected their approach long before the overhauls were close to being completed. You watch United and they don't look like they do any tactical training.

It's so hard to be positive no matter how hard you try. This just feels like another doomed project already.

Sadly true.

Aside from adding a y to everyone's name, I've no idea what Ole has brought in. (Pretty sure I heard the shout of "greeny" coming from the sidelines yesterday )

Plus, those other two managers arrived at their club with a legacy of success. Making comparisons with these makes no sense. May as well compare with Gerrard at Rangers.

Reds writing off Ole already.

At least the tabloids have a financial incentive.

Originally Posted by utd99

Well we could see it early on; higher tempo, harder working, quick ball movement and off the ball runs. We hit a wall for some reason - probably a combination of lack of quality, weak mentalities and poor fitness. He hasn’t had the chance to anything meaningful yet except try to change philosophies on the fly.

I think it was more of a case of them downing tools as soon as he got the job permanently. Why ? Well that's the mystery...or perhaps not. Maybe they were expecting Poch for next season and were playing well to impress him, once he was out of the immediate future they went back to the shithouse performances they were giving before Ole arrived

Fantasy, perhaps, but it fits the circumstances...

Originally Posted by utd99

Well we could see it early on; higher tempo, harder working, quick ball movement and off the ball runs. We hit a wall for some reason - probably a combination of lack of quality, weak mentalities and poor fitness. He hasn’t had the chance to anything meaningful yet except try to change philosophies on the fly.

A bit more high tempo for a few weeks against shite sides. Easily explained in hindsight as the new manager bounce. But coaches make their ideas clear immediately. We're six months in under Ole and it feels like he's dusted off the Tombola for team selection and tells them to do whatever they want. There's very little in the way of identifiable strategy.

Originally Posted by Albert Tatlock

I think it was more of a case of them downing tools as soon as he got the job permanently. Why ? Well that's the mystery...or perhaps not. Maybe they were expecting Poch for next season and were playing well to impress him, once he was out of the immediate future they went back to the shithouse performances they were giving before Ole arrived

Fantasy, perhaps, but it fits the circumstances...

An interim manager can get by with short-term inspiration; just picking the players up and raising the mood can often be enough. We've seen it a thousand times in football. Once it's permanent everything changes and you're expected to be the complete package and lay out a vision for everyone to buy into. Players have to believe in what a manager is telling them or it all quickly loses its emphasis. Confidence appears to have dropped and Ole will find it tough to raise it again unless he can inspire with some actual ideas.

Originally Posted by plopborsky

Yep I don’t know what the plan is

I didn’t know fergie’s plan 3 years after he’d been in charge. Guess he never had one.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

An interim manager can get by with short-term inspiration; just picking the players up and raising the mood can often be enough. We've seen it a thousand times in football.

Not for that many games.

Plans are overrated, and seldom survive contact with reality.

Not without a fair amount of flexibility anyway - which sort of begs the question, what actually *is* a plan?

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

Not for that many games.

Di Matteo took over at Chelsea and won 11 of his first 16 games. And later went on to win the European Cup.

A new manager bounce which ignites a good run can definitely last two or three months.

Anyway, he's hired now. Let's just hope that the club somehow flukes a few good signings to at least put us some way on the right path.

Originally Posted by red in cumbria

Plans are overrated, and seldom survive contact with reality.

Not without a fair amount of flexibility anyway - which sort of begs the question, what actually *is* a plan?

An old military adage.
No plan never survives first contact.

Originally Posted by Cream

An old military adage.
No plan never survives first contact.

Trust the illiterate army to use a double negative.

My word. Grow a proper beard or just shave you scruffy, weak chinned baldy @#%&!.

Season ended two days ago and Phil Jones is still here

I stopped paying attention, did Ole give him a new contract? If so he needs his winning goal in Barcelona taking off him, it was Teddy's, Ole never touched it.

Originally Posted by Cream

An old military adage.
No plan never survives first contact.

No plan survives first contact with the enemy*

Originally Posted by red in cumbria

Plans are overrated, and seldom survive contact with reality.

Not without a fair amount of flexibility anyway - which sort of begs the question, what actually *is* a plan?

Sometimes it's easier to define something by saying what it isn't. Woody lurching from one knee-jerk decision to another is definitively not a plan.

Originally Posted by utd99

Guardiola, Pochettino, Klopp. In every single instance it took them at least 2 seasons to arrest the slide, drain the swamp of poisonous players and draft in new blood who bought into the plan and the system. We’re either going to give him the opportunity or we’re not. If we’re not prepared to at least see what he does and support him, we’re lost.

Originally Posted by utd99

Reds writing off Ole already.

At least the tabloids have a financial incentive.

this guy

Keep Rashford and all those younger than him.
Of those older, keep Romero, Lindelof, Shaw, Pogba, De Gea if he’ll stay.

Sign top level midfield general (Kante), top level forward (already linked with Dybala), top notch centre back and bring the best of the kids in - Greenwood, Chong, Tuanzebe, Gomes. Add to squad as required.

Originally Posted by 92ToBury

Keep Rashford and all those younger than him.
Of those older, keep Romero, Lindelof, Shaw, Pogba, De Gea if he’ll stay.

Sign top level midfield general (Kante), top level forward (already linked with Dybala), top notch centre back and bring the best of the kids in - Greenwood, Chong, Tuanzebe, Gomes. Add to squad as required.

Hard to disagree with this tbh