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Unread 22-11-2017, 01:48 PM
Switching Off
 
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Tbf the internet has been in steady decline since everyone's mum, gran, kid, journalists and the government started using it.
True dat.

Need an OG's intanet. For OG's.

 
Unread 22-11-2017, 01:49 PM
armchair
 
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Tbf the internet has been in steady decline since everyone's mum, gran, kid, journalists and the government started using it.
i.e. before net neutrality
 
Unread 22-11-2017, 01:50 PM
Bunker Buster
 
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So I would imagine do the ISPs and big corporations. Anonymity is not the same as open access.

Pay to play, or huge throttling
But tor keeps your net activity out of the hands of advertisers, if more people used it the better it becomes...
 
Unread 22-11-2017, 01:51 PM
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It's a step towards getting poor people off the internet, reducing the passing of information, reducing piracy and increasing the profits of the larger companies. It's evil. As is everything done by just about everyone with any power as they are bought by big business.
 
Unread 22-11-2017, 01:54 PM
Sparky***
 
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It's a step towards getting poor people off the internet, reducing the passing of information, reducing piracy and increasing the profits of the larger companies. It's evil. As is everything done by just about everyone with any power as they are bought by big business.
They basically want to reduce the internet into a virtual shopping mall, so why wouldn't you want the f***ing riff raff not able to access it. They're not going to buy anything.
 
Unread 22-11-2017, 01:58 PM
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They basically want to reduce the internet into a virtual shopping mall, so why wouldn't you want the f***ing riff raff not able to access it. They're not going to buy anything.
That's balls.

It's far easier to convince a million people to give you a quid then it is to convince 1 person to give you a million pound.
 
Unread 22-11-2017, 02:05 PM
shenwen
 
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It's a step towards getting poor people off the internet, reducing the passing of information, reducing piracy and increasing the profits of the larger companies. It's evil. As is everything done by just about everyone with any power as they are bought by big business.
Basically
And they will use the "heavy user" argument to justify it. And loads will buy into it. Same as happened with mobile providers. Limited data options. And ad/platform-funded options. Facebook tried the same with its "free" internet in India. Free, but only the sites and apps we allow.

As Lok said, independent ISPs will be the answer, but I have literally no idea how that works. Community-funded ISPs?

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That's balls.

It's far easier to convince a million people to give you a quid then it is to convince 1 person to give you a million pound.
Absolutely. Amazon/Alibaba will provide free access for that. And loads of credit lines

Look at China. The Alibaba and Tencent infrastructure is insane. Shopping, online payment, credit services, social, Online video, gaming, banking, logistics, cloud. No cash needed. Ever. And all that lovely customer data for the advertisers

Hope it all eats itself

(As long as Fred and my football streams survive)
 
Unread 22-11-2017, 02:26 PM
dunk
 
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They basically want to reduce the internet into a virtual shopping mall, so why wouldn't you want the f***ing riff raff not able to access it. They're not going to buy anything.
They'll make the bits they want us to use accessible and affordable, and squeeze out the rest and make it prohibitively expensive.
 
Unread 22-11-2017, 02:28 PM
Sparky***
 
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They'll make the bits they want us to use accessible and affordable, and squeeze out the rest and make it prohibitively expensive.
exactly, big brand names and movies with some food outlets. like a big expensive shopping mall.
 
Unread 22-11-2017, 02:29 PM
Cream
 
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I remember Chomsky talking about the internet ages ago, saying it will go (or already had gone) the way of radio. Started off as a free and exciting resource....
 
Unread 22-11-2017, 02:32 PM
Sapien
 
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I remember Chomsky talking about the internet ages ago, saying it will go (or already had gone) the way of radio. Started off as a free and exciting resource....
He obviously hadn't discovered talksport
 
Unread 22-11-2017, 02:47 PM
Zorg
 
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Tbf all this might be worth it if I never have to see another 'you've heard of elf on the shelf...' joke
 
Unread 22-11-2017, 02:52 PM
flixton
 
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How does this affect UK? These are US laws. Are China, Russia and the rest of the world going to take any notice?
 
Unread 22-11-2017, 02:56 PM
Buck
 
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How does this affect UK? These are US laws. Are China, Russia and the rest of the world going to take any notice?
Been in a coma for the last seventy years?
 
Unread 22-11-2017, 03:04 PM
flixton
 
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Been in a coma for the last seventy years?
Just answer the question if you can.
 
Unread 22-11-2017, 03:13 PM
Buck
 
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Just answer the question if you can.


If it passes in the US ISP companies over here have an opportunity to pressure the government into pushing through similar legislation. The beleaguered PM has already made it know she wants to regulate the internet completely.
They'll disguise it as "increasing competition and therefore improving bandwidth and wifi reach" but reality is it's just another money-spinner making people pay a ransom for services which have become the norm in everyday life.
 
Unread 22-11-2017, 03:18 PM
flixton
 
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If it passes in the US ISP companies over here have an opportunity to pressure the government into pushing through similar legislation. The beleaguered PM has already made it know she wants to regulate the internet completely.
They'll disguise it as "increasing competition and therefore improving bandwidth and wifi reach" but reality is it's just another money-spinner making people pay a ransom for services which have become the norm in everyday life.
Cheers. Let's think for a minute what Sky, BT and Virgin will want. Ah, I see the problem.
 
Unread 22-11-2017, 03:24 PM
Baron
 
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Look at China. The Alibaba and Tencent infrastructure is insane. Shopping, online payment, credit services, social, Online video, gaming, banking, logistics, cloud. No cash needed. Ever. And all that lovely customer data for the advertisers
This is it. Integrated, all in one, consumerism. The open source, free internet that allowed these c***s to spawn is pulled up behind them & they're untouchable.
 
Unread 22-11-2017, 04:03 PM
Sparky***
 
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Cheers. Let's think for a minute what Sky, BT and Virgin will want. Ah, I see the problem.
The US customers are f***ed if this goes through. There's pretty much only about 3-4 internet providers over there that cover any decent portion of the country and they already charge them extortionate fees.

Luckily for us in the UK our broadband and fibre infrastructure has local loop unbundling which enables a raft of companies to provide people with internet services. That's what keeps our prices comparatively low.
 
Unread 22-11-2017, 04:07 PM
Baron
 
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The US customers are f***ed if this goes through. There's pretty much only about 3-4 internet providers over there that cover any decent portion of the country and they already charge them extortionate fees.

Luckily for us in the UK our broadband and fibre infrastructure has local loop unbundling which enables a raft of companies to provide people with internet services. That's what keeps our prices comparatively low.
Has happened to everything in the US... mobile phone operators, airlines, media, broadband, pharma etc

Everything has been combined into mega-corporations & there is no competition.

Probably an irony in there or something if you gave a f*** about them.
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