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Unread 08-10-2019, 09:22 PM
Clownbones
 
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There isn’t any. However, there is evidence a short term approach just appointing the biggest name available isn’t the solution to our issues. If we’re going to be successful under the glazers we need a long term vision, and to hire managers who fit that vision so we’re not always going back to square 1 and having a squad cobbled together by numerous managers with different ideas looking for a short term fix.

Stage 1 of that vision is to fix the dynamics within the dressing room. We know ole’s ideas around that are congruent with what we want. We also know by his summer activity that he understands what needs to be done to fix it, and we also know he can bring in the players needed. So for me, he’s done enough to continue phase one over more than one window. What we don’t know is whether he is the long term solution, but we can judge that as time progresses whilst phase one is being implemented. Until the dressing room is fixed, we can’t really judge any manager properly in the short run.

Stage two is either ole gradually proves he is capable as performances and results improve as phase 1 progresses, or we hire another manager who fits the vision and builds on what ole has done, from a starting point of a better dressing room of quality players with a good attitude and commitment to the club.

Or we can have no vision for the team and just keep going back to square one every year or two with whatever big name manager is available regardless of their suitability or style, and never fix the problems unless we get hugely lucky.
Great post.
 
Unread 08-10-2019, 10:08 PM
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Let's not forget the fact that several italian managers have won the PL: Ancelotti, Mancini, Ranieri, Conte; and another one, Di Matteo, won a UCL with a PL club.
 
Unread 08-10-2019, 10:14 PM
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Trust and credit doesn’t come it to it. The fact is they’re in a far better position than us to know these things, as we don’t have the info to hand.
Fact is they’re an absolute mess and have proven it over many years of mismanagement of the club. I wouldn’t trust them to build an ikea flat pack let alone trusting the in the rebuilding of a football club.

Ole could be the man, but because of the board screwing him over this summer leaving us short handed for the season I don’t think we’ll find out.
 
Unread 08-10-2019, 11:03 PM
Ranier Wolfcastle
 
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Fact is they’re an absolute mess and have proven it over many years of mismanagement of the club. I wouldn’t trust them to build an ikea flat pack let alone trusting the in the rebuilding of a football club.

Ole could be the man, but because of the board screwing him over this summer leaving us short handed for the season I don’t think we’ll find out.
Who knows if the last bit is even true and it wasn't his choice to not sign any other players? Surely with it all going wrong right now he would have at least hinted if that were the case
 
Unread 08-10-2019, 11:10 PM
jem
 
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allegri managed balotelli. maybe he can get pogba to do some work.
 
Unread 08-10-2019, 11:27 PM
AK14
 
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Who knows if the last bit is even true and it wasn't his choice to not sign any other players? Surely with it all going wrong right now he would have at least hinted if that were the case
He said he wanted a Lukaku replacement a while ago tbf.
 
Unread 08-10-2019, 11:31 PM
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What part did he play in building that team? It’s a completely different proposition at united, with a club structured very differently in a country, language, culture and style of football that’s foreign to him. You’re just demonstrating the kind of thinking that’s got us into this mess. Regardless of what you think of Ole, he’s a much better fit for our situation.
Course he is.
 
Unread 09-10-2019, 07:39 PM
Jammy Dodger
 
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Course he is.
Glad you agree.
 
Unread 10-10-2019, 09:25 AM
windy waffles
 
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Fact is they’re an absolute mess and have proven it over many years of mismanagement of the club. I wouldn’t trust them to build an ikea flat pack let alone trusting the in the rebuilding of a football club.

Ole could be the man, but because of the board screwing him over this summer leaving us short handed for the season I don’t think we’ll find out.
A former manager of Molde and Cardiff and one who has taken us to 12th in the league is not the one...
 
Unread 10-10-2019, 09:32 AM
Bunker Buster
 
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A former manager of Molde and Cardiff and one who has taken us to 12th in the league is not the one...
What league position should Manchester United be sat in now with our current squad and injury list....
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