Thiago Poll

Originally Posted by dunk

New to United pol? We have a long and proud history of scrimping at the wrong moments. Nothing knee jerk going on and most probably much closer to the truth than would be comfortable for you. Or were United not chasing him for 3 years and Mazinho wasn't in Manchester etc.

Can only think of a couple of alleged examples tbh.

When the right player was available, we've generally been willing to pay the price.

Originally Posted by Ethers

Can only think of a couple of alleged examples tbh.

When the right player was available, we've generally been willing to pay the price.

Not really. Certainly not in recent times. Admittedly though, we've just tended to avoid getting involved at all unless we thought we had a clear run at the player, RvP aside.

Originally Posted by dunk

New to United pol? We have a long and proud history of scrimping at the wrong moments. Nothing knee jerk going on and most probably much closer to the truth than would be comfortable for you. Or were United not chasing him for 3 years and Mazinho wasn't in Manchester etc.

You will believe absolutley anything as long as it is negative. You're like the Call of Duty players. £#%&!ng despise the game but keep torturing themselves with it.

Originally Posted by Crumps

You will believe absolutley anything as long as it is negative. You're like the Call of Duty players. £#%&!ng despise the game but keep torturing themselves with it.

No, I believe the most likely truth. Do you honestly think United were never interested or in the running? Fairly clear they've been keeping close tabs on him for quite a while and knew his contract position/wanted him. Met with his agent/dad and were in negotiations with his people. You think he was just waiting and waiting for Munich to come in? That's even worse tbh.

Originally Posted by dunk

No, I believe the most likely truth. Do you honestly think United were never interested or in the running? Fairly clear they've been keeping close tabs on him for quite a while and knew his contract position/wanted him. Met with his agent/dad and were in negotiations with his people. You think he was just waiting and waiting for Munich to come in? That's even worse tbh.

We wanted him, His ex Manager wanted him, He chose Bayern. Anything else was just the papers repeating the same story day after day and conjecture. As said they had spoke to him well before our reported interest. If he knew that there was a chance for Pep tabling an official bid of course he would have kept his options open, he'd be a £#%&!ing moron not to.

Originally Posted by Crumps

We wanted him, His ex Manager wanted him, He chose Bayern. Anything else was just the papers repeating the same story day after day and conjecture. As said they had spoke to him well before our reported interest. If he knew that there was a chance for Pep tabling an official bid of course he would have kept his options open, he'd be a £#%&!ing moron not to.

Before we tried to buy him 2 years ago and enquired again last summer? Good effort tbf the same manager that loaned him out, played him in so few games he felt the need to get a clause put in his contract to ensure he could leave if they did it again and the manager that tended to leave him out of the big games and subbed him all the time?

United rah rah rah!!

So he should've stayed at Barca and waited his turn then?

He's leaving Barca because he wants to play regular football, so it's an absolute no brainier that he would join a club with even more options in his position than the one he is at with a manager who has shown in the past he has no qualms about leaving him out? Contradictions asunder there crumple, you been on the gin all day again?

Ok. Whatever. United did their very best, are beyond reproach and are just ridiculously unlucky yet again.

Originally Posted by dunk

So he should've stayed at Barca and waited his turn then?

He's leaving Barca because he wants to play regular football, so it's an absolute no brainier that he would join a club with even more options in his position than the one he is at with a manager who has shown in the past he has no qualms about leaving him out? Contradictions asunder there crumple, you been on the gin all day again?

Ok. Whatever. United did their very best, are beyond reproach and are just ridiculously unlucky yet again.

You're all over the shop, pal.

If you can't see the difference between the situation at Barca and the one at Bayern you should just give up. He had no problem leaving him out (wasn't like he was just getting Copa Del Ray games ffs) as a teenager/20 year old in a team with Iniesta and Xavi infront of him. Anyway the player himself clearly sees Bayern/Guardiola as his best option in order to reach his goal of playing in the World Cup, which again makes sense as he knows the manager and what will be expected of him add to the fact that Guardiola has gone and bought him, it's not like he inherited him.

People are allowed to choose other clubs over United because of a personal preference it's not all down to transfer ineptitude.

Ah well, at least Rafabio will agree with you.

I would suggest he faces even greater competition for a place at Munich than at Barca, certainly in terms of numbers tbh crumps.

He was United's for the taking give the large Thiago shaped hole in our midfield and our spending several years chasing him. Either we didn't sell the club to him or we wouldn't/couldn't agree or pay the fee. There might be a case of our being over confident on getting him, hence the arguing over the fee.

You obviously don't want to hear anything that might in any way implicate United, so just give it up.

Originally Posted by dunk

I would suggest he faces even greater competition for a place at Munich than at Barca, certainly in terms of numbers tbh crumps.

He was United's for the taking give the large Thiago shaped hole in our midfield and our spending several years chasing him. Either we didn't sell the club to him or we wouldn't/couldn't agree or pay the fee. There might be a case of our being over confident on getting him, hence the arguing over the fee.

You obviously don't want to hear anything that might in any way implicate United, so just give it up.

Or maybe he saw linking up with his old manager who is his agents brother at the European Champions as the option that suited him better as his main goal is to play in the world cup. Coming to England could be seen as a bigger risk to his standing with the National team and the sole fact that he would be working with a Spanish manager who he has already played for swung it.

I have said all I can say on this.

You're wrong.

I'm not. You've just decided what you want to believe, and your reasoning is contradictory. Leave it.

Originally Posted by dunk

I'm not. You've just decided what you want to believe, and your reasoning is contradictory. Leave it.

He simply rejected us.

It must have been a hard decision for him given he took 2 months (or maybe more if its true Pep asked for him in February).

Anyone who thinks we missed out cos of penny pinching is deluded as £#%&!. £18m or £22m, barely a difference, a bloody mame dioufs difference. We would have paid whatever had he agreed to join us. We couldn't bit until he had said yes.

first league game he plays after the 'first transfer' debacle
He goes on safari..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEiMWZEns1s

Poggers>Thiago btw

Originally Posted by saffers

He simply rejected us.

It must have been a hard decision for him given he took 2 months (or maybe more if its true Pep asked for him in February).

Anyone who thinks we missed out cos of penny pinching is deluded as £#%&!. £18m or £22m, barely a difference, a bloody mame dioufs difference. We would have paid whatever had he agreed to join us. We couldn't bit until he had said yes.

we missed out on hazard since we wouldn't pay 5m agent fees pal...

Originally Posted by rafabio

we missed out on hazard since we wouldn't pay 5m agent fees pal...

And rightly so

Originally Posted by Jethro

And rightly so

Of course there is a limit as to how far you stretch your funds for a player, there has to be, but Hazard, Moura, Sneijder, Nasri etc. all prove United have form for it, which makes the reports that emerged from very early on in the summer about United refusing to pay a penny over the release fee for Thiago ring so true. Seems a typical United move.

Originally Posted by dunk

Of course there is a limit as to how far you stretch your funds for a player, there has to be, but Hazard, Moura, Sneijder, Nasri etc. all prove United have form for it, which makes the reports that emerged from very early on in the summer about United refusing to pay a penny over the release fee for Thiago ring so true. Seems a typical United move.

The Hazard thing is annoying. 1. cos hes gonna be a beast, 2. cos we didn't mind cosying up to Mendes with OTT agent fees. But should we have matched his 180k a week salary? Only if it was a 7 year contract or some shit. He was 21, giving him Rooney and RvP wages woulda been a stretch and disruptive imo.

I'm genuinely not arsed one bit about Nasri, Moura or Sneijder. The first 2 in particular would have been a serious waste of money. Sneijder too but we didn't know in 2011 how much he would diminish physically. Galatasaray for 5m 18 months later.

I've never understood this idea that he'll have tough competition at Bayern.

He'll be an automatic choice with Schweinsteiger and Kroos in midfield. Martinez will drop into defence, as Guardiola has said.

They'll have loads of options in attack now. Pep could go with natural wingers in Robben and Ribéry, or the more dynamic Götze and Müller, or play with a natural target man in Mandžukić. Great options.

Originally Posted by saffers

The Hazard thing is annoying. 1. cos hes gonna be a beast, 2. cos we didn't mind cosying up to Mendes with OTT agent fees. But should we have matched his 180k a week salary? Only if it was a 7 year contract or some shit. He was 21, giving him Rooney and RvP wages woulda been a stretch and disruptive imo.

I'm genuinely not arsed one bit about Nasri, Moura or Sneijder. The first 2 in particular would have been a serious waste of money. Sneijder too but we didn't know in 2011 how much he would diminish physically. Galatasaray for 5m 18 months later.

The argument isn't whether we did the right thing in penny pinching or not, just that we did the penny pinching at all. I never wanted Sneijder at all. Certainly not at the figures mentioned, United apparently wanted him but wouldn't pay the necessary monies though.