ole in or out

Originally Posted by BarryX

Personally don't think he should go if we don't win anything this season, but definitely needs to be in the mix in the league (top 3 and within spitting distance of first) and ideally through to the latter stages of the CL. If we don't make it past the group stage then he really does need to shake up the coaching side of things and maybe bring in a new assistant. Any other cup would a bonus.

If we don't win any major trophy but qualify for next year's CL, I'd give him one more summer transfer window and see how we get on at the start of next season before even considering whether I'd want him out or not.

The only things that would change my mind on the subject would be failure to qualify for the Champions League next year, losing the dressing room entirely or playing a Jose brand of football.

Surely, the United way?

The United way of ole being the 4th manager in 8 years?

Anyway, suspect it’s your expectations that differ most from others.

Most would say we’ve improved our squad since finishing 2nd and some would say we have the strongest squad of all the top teams. First and foremost, ole has got us to this position and deserves massive credit for that - the question is whether he can deliver now we’re in the position we are. I feel we have to get something this year or be only a whisker away. Losing to the dross like we did in the europa or bombing out of the cl or finishing behind Liverpool and Chelsea would put him on very thin ice unless there were clear mitigating circumstances.

We’ll see…

Originally Posted by Hyman_Roth

The United way of ole being the 4th manager in 8 years?

Anyway, suspect it’s your expectations that differ most from others.

Most would say we’ve improved our squad since finishing 2nd and some would say we have the strongest squad of all the top teams.

Not with our midfield, we don't.

What it is, I absolutely agree, is a squad that despite its remaining deficiencies is CAPABLE of winning major honours.

And yes, our manager will ultimately be judged on that basis.

Originally Posted by Hyman_Roth

The United way of ole being the 4th manager in 8 years?

Anyway, suspect it’s your expectations that differ most from others.

Most would say we’ve improved our squad since finishing 2nd and some would say we have the strongest squad of all the top teams. First and foremost, ole has got us to this position and deserves massive credit for that - the question is whether he can deliver now we’re in the position we are. I feel we have to get something this year or be only a whisker away. Losing to the dross like we did in the europa or bombing out of the cl or finishing behind Liverpool and Chelsea would put him on very thin ice unless there were clear mitigating circumstances.

We’ll see…

Within spitting distance and being a whisker away are surely the same thing, no? Seems like our expectations aren't that different at all.

Originally Posted by red in cumbria

Not with our midfield, we don't.

What it is, I absolutely agree, is a squad that despite its remaining deficiencies is CAPABLE of winning major honours.

And yes, our manager will ultimately be judged on that basis.

Very few teams match the strength of our defence and none have what we have in attack. I suspect fans of Chelsea and Liverpool would each complain of having weaker squads than us despite the midfield weakness you’ve mentioned.

Originally Posted by Hyman_Roth

The United way of ole being the 4th manager in 8 years?

Anyway, suspect it’s your expectations that differ most from others.

Most would say we’ve improved our squad since finishing 2nd and some would say we have the strongest squad of all the top teams. First and foremost, ole has got us to this position and deserves massive credit for that - the question is whether he can deliver now we’re in the position we are. I feel we have to get something this year or be only a whisker away. Losing to the dross like we did in the europa or bombing out of the cl or finishing behind Liverpool and Chelsea would put him on very thin ice unless there were clear mitigating circumstances.

We’ll see…

Well this is quite clearly rubbish. We don't.

City and Chelsea have the strongest squads.

Originally Posted by Sparky***

Well this is quite clearly rubbish. We don't.

City and Chelsea have the strongest squads.

We’re good ‘on paper’, but the least cohesive side of the top four. You know exactly what you’ll get from Liverpool, City and to a lesser extent Chelsea. We could be brilliant, awful or anything in between on any given week.

Originally Posted by Sparky***

Well this is quite clearly rubbish. We don't.

City and Chelsea have the strongest squads.

Not everyone agrees.

https://www.utdforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=299096

Originally Posted by Dr Stranger

We’re good ‘on paper’, but the least cohesive side of the top four. You know exactly what you’ll get from Liverpool, City and to a lesser extent Chelsea. We could be brilliant, awful or anything in between on any given week.

Well that's the point i suppose. A squad is only strong if the players can be relied upon to come off the bench and actually do something

Originally Posted by Hyman_Roth

Not everyone agrees.

https://www.utdforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=299096

A certain Norway based poster voting that we have the best squad - couldn't possibly be any agenda there

Some are already saying Tuchel has done more for man united than Ole has in 3 years of being manager.

If he has to save us from the dippers getting to 20 as well, surely a statue would be in order?

Originally Posted by Sparky***

Well this is quite clearly rubbish. We don't.

City and Chelsea have the strongest squads.

For me, Chelsea are only stronger than us in midfield. Goalkeeper could go either way. Our squad is better.

Their focal point in attack was booted out of here.

Originally Posted by Stickman

For me, Chelsea are only stronger than us in midfield. Goalkeeper could go either way. Our squad is better.

Their focal point in attack was booted out of here.

TBF he has trimmed down and improved a fair bit, and is guaranteed to get goals for them. I, for one, do think our squad is as good as both at the moment, though, overall at least. It just might take a while for the new lads to settle in, which is another reason why I don't think it makes sense to be putting such high demands on Ole this season (and why I don't think it's right to be demanding that he wins one of the big ones).

Originally Posted by Sparky***

Well that's the point i suppose. A squad is only strong if the players can be relied upon to come off the bench and actually do something

Exactly. Just looking at the squad ignores….you know….how it actually plays.

Originally Posted by Dr Stranger

Exactly. Just looking at the squad ignores….you know….how it actually plays.

Also, if the squad is equal or better than chelsea's, there's absolutely no reason we shouldn't be right up there come the business end of the season challenging the likes of Chelsea and City?

because if 8 months down the line we're having the "top 4" conversation again then really, the problem is the manger?

Originally Posted by Sparky***

Also, if the squad is equal or better than chelsea's, there's absolutely no reason we shouldn't be right up there come the business end of the season challenging the likes of Chelsea and City?

because if 8 months down the line we're having the "top 4" conversation again then really, the problem is the manger?

That's the general consensus from what I've seen. Most people saying "Ole in" on this thread are saying it on the proviso that he has us competing at the top of the league this season.

Originally Posted by Sparky***

Also, if the squad is equal or better than chelsea's, there's absolutely no reason we shouldn't be right up there come the business end of the season challenging the likes of Chelsea and City?

because if 8 months down the line we're having the "top 4" conversation again then really, the problem is the manger?

I already thought our squads were tit for tat last season but this summers business swung it firmly in our favour for me.

Shouldn't we be saving all the bed-wetting til at least the New Year? When we'll have a better idea of how the season is panning out rather than £#%&!ing having knee-jerk hissy fits after 4 league & 1 CL game?

Originally Posted by BarryX

He was caretaker for the first, what, 5 or 6 months? Inherited a squad that wasn't his, with morale at a near all-time low, and then won 14 out of 16 if I'm not mistaken (which in itself speaks for itself).

Whatever your opinion on him, the simple fact is that he's only had two full seasons in charge and this is the start or his third. Name me another United manager that's won the title in his third full season.

We've only had three managers who have won the title. Mangnall took five years and was the quickest. We're not a club that does continued success under different managers.

Originally Posted by 92ToBury

We've only had three managers who have won the title. Mangnall took five years and was the quickest. We're not a club that does continued success under different managers.

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