De Gea

Doesn’t come off his line for crosses
Doesn’t go out to meet a one-on-one
Doesn’t communicate + direct his defence
Doesn’t distribute positively
Doesn’t inspire confidence to his defence
On 350,000 p/w

Shithouse.

An all round average keeper would be an improvement. Magers said, we should’ve dumped him after the Europa final but really, he should’ve gone before that because we all knew beforehand that he wasn’t going to make a save and wanted the sub goalie on. There was a reason for that.

Originally Posted by jem

leaving aside the fact that he was not a large part of the reason we lost yesterday....

whatever his shortcomings (and even his most ardent admirers... if he has any... would have to accept that they exist), he makes saves that others wouldn't and is overall a very decent keeper. however, any mistake he makes is jumped all over (same as akers does with shaw). it's just silly. we know what he does well and what he does not so well. you can predict the "ffs, de gea", even when it is actually someone else's fault. it's hard to be balanced when you are rabid like dunk.

ok, but i'm not dunk. I'm not rabid. I can fully recognise that there are facets of his game that are excellent, you don't get to play as many games as he has for us over so many years with 5 or 6 different managers without being excellent at something

However, it's clear ETH wants to play a more posession based style of football and build from the back. De Gea has awful distribution, zero command of his area and this uncertainty clearly feeds into the back 4.

Are Alisson and Ederson better goalkeepers in the traditional sense of the word? Arguably no. But they are superb in terms of what their team and manager demands of them

Dave is not. Mistakes like the one against Everton happen and you write it off; but the absolute lack of quality he has with the ball, and the fact he's a massive fanny, means he's not good enough for what ETH/we want united to be.

I’m not rabid. I’m just frustrated because once you’ve seen it, it can’t be unseen.

Then people clap when he makes a standard save like he’s doing us a favour. Idiots.

Originally Posted by Denis Irwell

Doesn’t come off his line for crosses
Doesn’t go out to meet a one-on-one
Doesn’t communicate + direct his defence
Doesn’t distribute positively
Doesn’t inspire confidence to his defence
On 350,000 p/w

Shithouse.

An all round average keeper would be an improvement. Magers said, we should’ve dumped him after the Europa final but really, he should’ve gone before that because we all knew beforehand that he wasn’t going to make a save and wanted the sub goalie on. There was a reason for that.

Yeah but apart from all that he’s World Class

Originally Posted by jem

leaving aside the fact that he was not a large part of the reason we lost yesterday....

whatever his shortcomings (and even his most ardent admirers... if he has any... would have to accept that they exist), he makes saves that others wouldn't and is overall a very decent keeper. however, any mistake he makes is jumped all over (same as akers does with shaw). it's just silly. we know what he does well and what he does not so well. you can predict the "ffs, de gea", even when it is actually someone else's fault. it's hard to be balanced when you are rabid like dunk.

Mistakes aren’t jumped on any more than you jump to his defence by pointing out some save he made.

Both happen regularly. Both get pointed out when they happen. Both add up to him not being good enough for where we want to be.

He’s not terrible, but he’s not great. He has some qualities, he has many shortcomings.

He’s not our biggest problem, but he’s still a problem.

Do you think he’s good enough to be number one here under ETH?

Originally Posted by dunk

I’d argue it’s hard to be balanced when you are so blinded by run of the mill saves tbh.

who is, though?

we all know de gea's limitations. his proactive work on crosses is much worse than his distribution.

I don't care if he goes, if we get a better keeper. but it's not one of our biggest problems. de gea is quite good enough to play in a title winning team.

He was literally 1 of the 2 biggest problems on the pitch yesterday, next to The Scottish Player. Simple as that.

How many times have we been hanging onto a lead, not just this season but for the past 10 seasons? And we’re shit at it. We’d be able to kill 10 minutes if that £#%&!ing coward would just occasionally catch the ball and fall on it for 3 minutes at a time like most keepers do. Just yet another simple thing he’s incapable of. He’ll save with his feet, knees and punch it away, when he is the only player allowed to catch the ball and slow the game down when necessary… but what does he do? Punch or hoof it right back to the oppo to have another go. Burnley, Everton, West Ham and every other shit team has this option up their sleeve. Not us.

Yes, I noticed he fell on the ball the other day for the first time in living memory. Thought I was seeing things. It trickled into his arms btw.

Originally Posted by dunk

He was literally 1 of the 2 biggest problems on the pitch yesterday, next to The Scottish Player. Simple as that.

Bissaka was at fault for 2 of the 3 goals.

He miscontrolled and gave away the ball, and he subsequently didn't bother challenging for the cross which was headed into the net. His lack of ability on the ball and lack of awareness got them back into the game before half time.

For the third he was marking Rafa Varane for some reason as the cross was put in.

The Scottish Player was £#%&!ing awful but Bissaka cost us 2 goals and consequently the game.

If you're blaming De Gea for even passing to Bissaka, and expecting him to deal with a fairly routine position for a full back to be in, then yeah, De Gea shouldn't be passing to Bissaka.

https://twitter.com/nocontextfooty/status/1617227763668205570?s=20&t=CWDrPhzNb3c_ZGNUOqir0g

Originally Posted by atticusgrinch

Bissaka was at fault for 2 of the 3 goals.

He miscontrolled and gave away the ball, and he subsequently didn't bother challenging for the cross which was headed into the net. His lack of ability on the ball and lack of awareness got them back into the game before half time.

For the third he was marking Rafa Varane for some reason as the cross was put in.

The Scottish Player was £#%&!ing awful but Bissaka cost us 2 goals and consequently the game.

If you're blaming De Gea for even passing to Bissaka, and expecting him to deal with a fairly routine position for a full back to be in, then yeah, De Gea shouldn't be passing to Bissaka.

https://twitter.com/nocontextfooty/s...b3c_ZGNUOqir0g

This.

I’m one of De Gea’s biggest critics but to say he was one of the two biggest problems yesterday is far off.

Originally Posted by dunk

He was literally 1 of the 2 biggest problems on the pitch yesterday, next to The Scottish Player. Simple as that.

The Scottish Player isn't good enough. you won't get any argument on that score. midfield is our biggest problem.

it's really not necessary to point the finger, but wan b's weaknesses cost us, not de gea's.

on another day, we'd have got a draw and been happy with it.

Originally Posted by atticusgrinch

Bissaka was at fault for 2 of the 3 goals.

He miscontrolled and gave away the ball, and he subsequently didn't bother challenging for the cross which was headed into the net. His lack of ability on the ball and lack of awareness got them back into the game before half time.

For the third he was marking Rafa Varane for some reason as the cross was put in.

The Scottish Player was £#%&!ing awful but Bissaka cost us 2 goals and consequently the game.

If you're blaming De Gea for even passing to Bissaka, and expecting him to deal with a fairly routine position for a full back to be in, then yeah, De Gea shouldn't be passing to Bissaka.

https://twitter.com/nocontextfooty/s...b3c_ZGNUOqir0g

AWB was clearly at fault for the first goal. Twice. It was a standard ball out to him from degea than any competent player should be able to deal with.

To win a game like yesterday, everyone has to play well, especially across the midfield and defence.

Bruno
Eriksen
Antony

All meh.

The Scottish Player
Shaw
Awb
De gea

Were all poor

That’s too many to get away with.

Thought Varane and Martinez were brilliant. Shame that first Licha goal was
Ultimately meaningless.

Originally Posted by atticusgrinch

Bissaka was at fault for 2 of the 3 goals.

He miscontrolled and gave away the ball, and he subsequently didn't bother challenging for the cross which was headed into the net. His lack of ability on the ball and lack of awareness got them back into the game before half time.

For the third he was marking Rafa Varane for some reason as the cross was put in.

The Scottish Player was £#%&!ing awful but Bissaka cost us 2 goals and consequently the game.

If you're blaming De Gea for even passing to Bissaka, and expecting him to deal with a fairly routine position for a full back to be in, then yeah, De Gea shouldn't be passing to Bissaka.

https://twitter.com/nocontextfooty/s...b3c_ZGNUOqir0g

Bissaka is where he is on that pic because he had to engage the player with the ball at a higher point on the pitch because no one else was over there, leaving him out numbered. That was The Scottish Player being MIA.

He switched off on the back post first goal, nqat, defended and played well the rest of the game. De Gea should never be playing a shit pass to an isolated RB with a winger in his arse, regardless who it is.

He made a terrific save before the goal and we need to be careful. He's better than Pickford, Ramsdale, Henderson. Look at the trouble we had replacing the Great Dane. Keeping nets at OT requires a very strong character.

It was a bad ball from De Gea out to AWB, wasn’t easy to deal with at all, he had a player on him as soon as he received the pass, he was tight to the touchline, and there was no easy ball to another player because of the other arsenal player.

He shouldn’t be losing the ball softly there though, last resort just smash it.

He’s not better than those 3, sorry.

Actually, he’s better than Henderson, but mainly because he’s a @#%&!.

Originally Posted by dunk

He’s not better than those 3, sorry.

Actually, he’s better than Henderson, but mainly because he’s a @#%&!.

He’s better than Pickford. He’s a terrible goalkeeper.

Originally Posted by Dr Stranger

He’s better than Pickford. He’s a terrible goalkeeper.

Makes similar saves, but is much more proactive and can kick it. Levels it out imo.

Pickford loses a lot of points for being a gobby #@&%!.

Originally Posted by dunk

Makes similar saves, but is much more proactive and can kick it. Levels it out imo.

Pickford loses a lot of points for being a gobby #@&%!.

I don’t think he makes similar saves. He makes much simpler saves look incredibly difficult because he has the presence and frame of a child. De gea makes saves that Pickford can’t get near. That save onto the bar at Palace. That flies over Pickford’s little toddler stump hand.

He is fairly proactive, but has absolutely no presence or composure.

He’s a poor goalkeeper. De Gea is average.

Originally Posted by jem

The Scottish Player isn't good enough. you won't get any argument on that score. midfield is our biggest problem.

it's really not necessary to point the finger, but wan b's weaknesses cost us, not de gea's.

on another day, we'd have got a draw and been happy with it.

I'd have been very happy with a draw, but that doesn't take away the fact that de Gea's needed replacing for a couple of years now.

United are aspiring to be the best again, and our goalkeeper isn't even top five in the league.

Nah, Pickford comes out with incredible saves from time to time. Same with Lloris, but they’re incredibly susceptible to things they should save and other areas of the job, same with De Gea. Wouldn’t have any of them in goal for United at all.